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Are Lambeth Labour going to get voted back in in 2018?

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by teuchter, Feb 25, 2018.

  1. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    It's difficult to stand as an independent for a borough ward. The sheer size (6,000-8,000 dwellings on average) means that without a sizable canvassing team, you're buggered before you begin, however noble your cause. Even Labour are cherry-picking where they canvass, in my ward. They're aiming at the streets where they didn't poll well in the 2017 GE, and for the homes where there's no reported vote from the polling data.

    As for TPA, they don't WANT to be apolitical, they - as shown last Thursday - HAVE to be apolitical in order to not give Lambeth Labour any ammunition - not that Lambeth Labour don't fabricate stuff anyway.
  2. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Committee governance at least allows dissent to be aired more widely than it can be in a cabinet system.
  3. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Jack the Hand is standing down in May, but his boast about "overseeing" does need scrutiny. He oversees the sum total of dick, unless ward cllrs have some previously unknown and unused oversight powers. , and he's had bugger all to do with the planning dept at Lambeth, unless he's been suborning his missus.

    One hilarious thing about Jacko is his membership of both Progress and Momentum.
  4. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    And Fitchett's off piste exertions on the "auctioned local authority properties" market.
  5. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Who cooked this one up? The real cost of regeneration
    Just asking - coz it looks like it started under the Lib Dem/Tory régime and was consummated by Labour. Matthew Bennett gets several mentions. Maybe Zoe Williams got most of it from him.

    It does suggest though what I have believed for many years - it doesn't matter too much which councillors are in officer, its actually the council officers who run the council.
  6. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    She got most of it from resident groups. 90% of the Bennett stuff is retreads of publicly-available comments.

    That's definitely the case, in my experience. I've dealt with many senior officers (as you probably know, the only way to get stuff done in Lambeth is to hassle the heads of the directorates, not their minions), and I'd say that they're 30% nice people who acknowledge that they're public servants, and 70% utter bastards who don't give a shit for the public, just about executing policy.

    The cabinet is effectively a rubber-stamp institution, and an institution that senior officers love, because there are fewer people they need to cultivate, as opposed to the more-difficult-to-manipulate committees. Many cabinet members very obviously don't read the papers - even the short briefing - for the meetings. At cabinet meetings I've attended, I've seen cabinet members look utterly puzzled when a member of the public speaks, and raises a point about a proposal. Whether this is a function of cabinet governance per se, or merely an artifact of a lazy, complacent Labour administration, is open to debate.
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  7. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    Got this today (in an envelope with my name on it). I was pretty sure i live in Coldharbour ward and not herne hill but posting here in case not everyone who might want to vote for him received the same thing.


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  8. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I would expect you are in Herne Hill ward. If it has your name/address they've used the electoral register to address it.

    I thought you lived on the Camberwell side of the railway? If so you are definitely in Herne Hill ward. The boundaries changed around the year 2000.

    Angell Ward used to stretch from Brixton Road to the Lambeth portion of Denmark Hill (but not Moorlands Estate which was then in Herne Hill - as was that part of Railton Road/Saltoun Road etc which is now in Coldharbour).

    I was very sorry to see Angell ward renamed to Coldharbour. Angell is much more elegant - and always used to be top of the list when looking for the results.
  9. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    You’re right CH1 i didn’t realise the ward boundary here is the railway line (a few steps from my window).
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  10. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I'm getting confused here. The candidate says he stood as Green candidate. Plus organised the Green campaign in Herne Hill.

    Now he is standing as "independent". But is supported by Lambeth democracy campaign group. Who I've googled and cannot find website for. Anyone know who they are?

    He's not saying he is endorsed as candidate by the Defend the Ten group. Or the Herne Hill Forum.

    Nor does he explain why he fell out with Green party. Some of whom I've meet and are ok.

    Imo Greens have a chance in Herne hill. Now various candidates are appearing. Vote will be split. Labour will get back in.
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  11. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    The correspondence we have had at Buzz with Lambeth Democracy has been sent by Joseph Healy. He has stood previously as a candidate for the Green party.

    Lambeth Democracy held a discussion event at the Temple Bowling Club in SE5 last week. Speakers were invited from Save Cressingham, Defend the Ten and The People's Audit.

    But like you say Gramsci - the only outcome here is allowing Nu Labour back in once again at Herne Hill.

    Sometimes I despair of the Left.
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  12. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    This is the website given at the head of the flyer

    Home - Herne Hill Community and Libraries Campaign
  13. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Looks like this is a "splitter" as Alexi Sayle would say.

    I know Joseph Healey - who Green parliamentary candidate for Vauxhall in the 2010 General Elecion - but fell out with the party bigtime, including Peter Tatchell - for what reason I don't know.

    My favourite Trot for Vauxhall was Ian Driver (1997 General Election) - Socialist Labour. When asked what to do about the scandal of drugs in Brixton he said "Yes it is scandalous what people have to pay. They should be put on the NHS!"
  14. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    A leaflet for the Wednesday discussion meeting referred to above was handed out at the Cressingham meeting. i had assumed it was a Green party event - clearly not so.

    Looks like the factional left are now clustering around the issues of Cressingham Gardens and Carnegie Library - which may or may not affect the Greens and Labour.

    If this guy is expecting more that 200 votes he has probably peaked a bit early.
  15. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    Joseph's Healy's campaign back in 2010 was very much based around an International Green agenda, rather than local issues in the constituency. It seemed a little... distant. The current Green lot in Lambeth are very much active in local campaigns.

    There was the usual lone SWP seller outside the People's Audit meeting a couple of weeks ago :facepalm:

    Lambeth Labour must be loving all of this.
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  16. brixtonblade

    brixtonblade Well-Known Member

    Green have got their campaign up and running early in HH. I havent been canvassed but have had a load of leaflets and thought they were all fairly good. Labour haven't done as much but have started distributing leaflets with - er - "interesting" perspectives on their work to improve Carnegie Library and protect the park from over commercialisation.

    I dont think anyone else is targeting he ward.
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  17. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    HH Library Camapign was registered as a political party last September.
    No mention of Dr Joseph Healy (as he likes to style himself).

    Treasurer is Dr Nicholas Edwards (who is the candidate himself)
    Nominating officer is Olga Stelmakh

    Anyone know any more? I guess they may be concerned local residents - but in that case why use a British Monomarks post box?
    View registration - The Electoral Commission
    Registered party emblem:
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  18. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    It will be interesting to see the full slate of candidates across the wards when they appear in about a months time. Some of those Progress / Labour majorities aren't that big.

    I'm expecting to see the LibDems and Greens both getting territorial though and fighting it out in some of the winnable wards. I totally get the idea that you need to give your party members on the ground a candidate to vote for. But actively campaigning against one another just eliminates you both. This is already happening in Oval.

    Where *cough* genuine Indie candidates emerge, I really hope that their spirit of independence isn't wiped out by an over-crowded election slate. This is one way to guarantee another one-party borough for the next four years. This isn't good for anyone - including the Progress group who will just retreat up their own arses even further.
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  19. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    in a one party state the internal machinations of that party matter. Is anyone up to speed on the power struggles within Streatham and Vauxhall LPs, and the effect that will have on candidate selection?
  20. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Regarding the Herne Hill situation, Nick Edwards has been an active member of the Friends of Carnegie library for some time, as his leaflet says.
    Contact and trustees

    He also seems to write most of the articles on the Friends of Carnegie Library website. It is a mystery to me why he has decided to stand as an independent. Surely they can see that it would be better for them to have three Green councillors than 2 with a Labour one - probably Jim Dickson at that.
  21. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    newbie All Lambeth ward branches got their Progress ducks lined up well ahead of Momentum making any noise. One of the questions asked by the Lambeth Campaigns Forum during the interview process was:

    "What do you understand by the concept of the party whip?"
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  22. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    He fell out with Green party over Brighton council not opposing austerity cuts.

    He was member of Green Left in the party.

    Why I resigned from the Green Party
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  23. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model funhouse thrills

    i'm told you don't have to go to holborn to pick up the post, that they will forward it on. it's not like po boxes are secure - there's a simple weird trick to finding out the address of whoever's used their address to get a po box. bm won't - as i understand it - tell people where you live.
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  24. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    oh :(
  25. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    Lib Dems are about in Herne Hill, as are the Tories. Probably one of the more fought over wards this time around, although that doesn't mean the result will necessarily be different
  26. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    The problems of course are that Labour is polling well across city/England, has incumbency advantages and loads of volunteers. Any opposition parties have to husband their resources, focus on targets and heavily use their activists. Whereas Labour could probably just whip their councillors to do all the campaign work and that would be almost enough.
  27. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I notice his snippet from our old friend Ben Morgan in Wednesday's Evening Standard.
    Durand School ES 27Feb18.jpg
    It's a bit surprising this is still rumbling on - or is it?

    Anyone at the Cressingham Rotunda meeting (chaired by Kate Hoey) will surely recall Councillor Ed Davie (Chair of the Scrutiny Committee) complaining that a major reason for the council's spending being out of control is the costs of schools - which are largely not set by the council.

    Surely Ben Morgan is right to point out the extraordinary shenanigans at Durand School/Academy. Anyone using Google will easily find that Cllr Kevin Craig's PR lobbying firm PMLR was on a retainer from the school, and that enquiries about this led to major ructions - lurid articles in the Daily Mail, and writs issued by M'learned friends at Carter Ruck.

    Even the Brixton Buzz reported stuff - including the fact that Kevin Craig had been Kate Hoey's agent.
    Lambeth Cllr and Agent for Kate Hoey MP criticised in report for taking payments from Stockwell school
    Of course Lambeth Labour is going to win. Swamp draining is not the fashion in Lambeth.
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  28. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    Craig is an interesting person. I know people who know him but have never met him myself. I've sort of been assuming he's been positioning himself for a run at Vauxhall at some point
  29. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    If he's Kate Hoey's agent he must know it inside out.
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  30. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I really hope Rachel Heywood stands as an independent, as has been rumoured.
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