ARABS: Loud Voices and just plain Shouting
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Spion
I hear ya
What's the OP getting for his racist shit stirring?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
^This.
He's been spouting anti-semitic shite ever since he got here, and continues to do so when challenged on it. This crap of his is all over the Middle East forum - sub-Elders of Zion bigotry, for the most part.
Ditto his misogynistic creepy shite.
Two days? And it took a second mod to come along and actually do it? Good grief.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
it's natural for children to be loud - especially when i groups. even reserved kids can get quite loud. Primary schools are enough to give anyone a headache, and secondary is near as bad. Then too, when we are drunk, the volume creeps up. so there's an arguement to say that quietness is a learned behaviour, and that some societies value it more than others.
Loudness is often environmental - certainly accents develop in response to environmental volume - a dock city like new york, liverpool or london has dominant vowels, as these are the sounds that carry over greater levels of background noise. If the environment is noisy, one might expect a greater volume level for speech.
Then there are cultural priorities. Are men louder than women in a culture - is it then a sign of dominance or strength? How are religions celebrated - with murmering or strident ululation?
it's interesting, but i'm not sure any of us could say we've done enough obective research to be conclusive about any nationality being the loudest.
Loudness is often environmental - certainly accents develop in response to environmental volume - a dock city like new york, liverpool or london has dominant vowels, as these are the sounds that carry over greater levels of background noise. If the environment is noisy, one might expect a greater volume level for speech.
Then there are cultural priorities. Are men louder than women in a culture - is it then a sign of dominance or strength? How are religions celebrated - with murmering or strident ululation?
it's interesting, but i'm not sure any of us could say we've done enough obective research to be conclusive about any nationality being the loudest.
We have an entrepreneur called Allan Zeman, usually described as Jewish-Canadian, who has been based in HK for 38 years (he's the guy that initiated and built Lan Kwai Fong as a bar/restaurant/entertainment area).
Recently he gave up his Canadian citizenship to take Chinese citizenship and obtain an HKSAR passport (and a home-return-permit for the mainland).
Local journalist, Alex Lo, runs a daily, (supposedly) quirky, commentary column in the South China Morning Post.
In this morning's edition, he was quipping about the issue and jokingly suggested that Mr Zeman: "promises from now on to act rudely and talk loudly."
There you have it.
Woof
Recently he gave up his Canadian citizenship to take Chinese citizenship and obtain an HKSAR passport (and a home-return-permit for the mainland).
Local journalist, Alex Lo, runs a daily, (supposedly) quirky, commentary column in the South China Morning Post.
In this morning's edition, he was quipping about the issue and jokingly suggested that Mr Zeman: "promises from now on to act rudely and talk loudly."
There you have it.
Woof
I've read that in some cultures speaking loudly and expressively (plus hand gestures etc) is seen as a sign of strength, whereas in others (eg Japan) it is seen as a lack of self control and a quieter less expressive style gains more respect. Some cultures don't like to leave ("akward") silences while others don't like constant ("inconsiderate") talking.
All Meditarranean and Levant Peoples are loud and aggressive, this is true. Some stereotypes have basis in fact, but not all. they are also very expressive physically, moving hands, as are all the afore mentioned Peoples. Israel is one of the worst places for this.
The amzing and also sad thing is that ignoramuses called the OP "racist" and then Float goes and provdes a peer reviwed paper on this exact dynamic. Again Mods have acted hastily and ignorantly. Before banning, you need to actually prove your contention. Well they are not required to but it would translate into integrity.
People scream bloody fuc%ing murder when we have had posters bashing Israel and even Jews since forever. THIS is NOT dealt with, but lo and behold let a poster ask why Arabs are loud, WHILE OFFERING THAT HE DOES NOT INTEND FOR IT TO BE A RACIST DIATRIBE and he gets a ban. What stupidity.
The amzing and also sad thing is that ignoramuses called the OP "racist" and then Float goes and provdes a peer reviwed paper on this exact dynamic. Again Mods have acted hastily and ignorantly. Before banning, you need to actually prove your contention. Well they are not required to but it would translate into integrity.
People scream bloody fuc%ing murder when we have had posters bashing Israel and even Jews since forever. THIS is NOT dealt with, but lo and behold let a poster ask why Arabs are loud, WHILE OFFERING THAT HE DOES NOT INTEND FOR IT TO BE A RACIST DIATRIBE and he gets a ban. What stupidity.
The Groke
hot hail/Paging Dr. Beat
Ahem.
You should probably read the thread properly before going off on one.
For the benefit of the lazy and the interminably slow:
The OP is alive, well and still an active poster. His OP contained some arguably dubious stereotyping, but there was likely no real malice afoot and indeed, there is a potentially interesting and wider-reaching thread, buried in his clumsy opening.
Detroit City OTO has been banned for being a nasty anti-semitic fucksock (amongst other things) and not before time too.
Detroit City OTO has been banned for being a nasty anti-semitic fucksock (amongst other things) and not before time too.
Just to emphasise the point to rach.
Woof
The OP is really misguided saying arab this and arab that...a lot of arabs are really quiet, some of them are really nice, of course you get horrible arabs, but they aren't all bad etc etc
utter fucking shite
Mediterrannean countries are more shouty than European ones which is what the OP was getting at I think, but the thread seems a bit trashed to talk about that now lol
utter fucking shite
Mediterrannean countries are more shouty than European ones which is what the OP was getting at I think, but the thread seems a bit trashed to talk about that now lol
Bang to Rights
Well-Known Member
Thank you for giving me the credit of earnestness I deserve. With all the crap from our friend "the racist" (and follow-up sensationalist melodrama) I decided not to make any case for myself. I recon that if anyone reading my original post - complete with sincerity and a warning - then I just couldn't give a stuff if I were to be banned or not.
Yes. I'm genuinely interested in what I consider to be a cultural phenonemon.
My basis for the subject (specific-cultural loud-speaking) is shared by everyone I've ever spoken with here at home. As was pointed out by another member, this is most probably a relative thing but that doesn't make the subject less interesting. Understanding a difficult situation can only improve one's own tolerance - and that is my only goal.
I don't know if I agree on the question of "clumsy opening" though. I motivated and qualified (as best as one CAN qualify an observation) my basis and CLEARLY (or not?) stated that I want nothing to do with "bashing".
Ps. Thank you for the links, Float.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
You've already done it with the OP and this thread.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Looby
Well-Known Member
I agree. 2 days is just not enough. I'm tempted to start a poll because the amount of posters who actually want DC on these boards is tiny I'd bet.
gorski
customised free radical
Crickey! 
'Ere, Govs, ban me:
I'm from the Balkans. You ain't seen nuthin' yet - 'till you see a Balkanic party or just a plain, everyday "conversation", especially if politics is involved...
But seriously: as one goes North-West [in EU terms] capitalism and individualism grow stronger. Some would say "mix in the Protestantism" and you get a really hard place, as there's no hiding place from all of those, including a "personal relationship with God" [i.e. not necessarily mediated by the Church]. "A decent [Protestant] man has two jobs: one to feed the family and the other to rest from the first one!" Think about it!!!
The symptoms, among other things, from all of those combined, are growth of "personal space" [really small in places with a strong "common consciousness", way down South-East, where clans and tribes are the norm, all too frequently - and huge, by comaprison, when you come to England, for instance: no touching, please, no sex, no directness, no familiarity, no.... etc. etc. etc.].
So, being calculated/reserved/in control of yourself, i.e. your body, your impulses, your urges, your emotions is the norm, since "showing emotion" means admitting being vulnerable in those areas, hence weak and those points can be exploited by one's opponents. And let's not forget, it's "everybody against everybody" in such a world-view. Many an author have pointed out the unbearable heaviness of being "way too rational" all the time [way too many, as we can see from psycho-problems many millions living in those countries reportedly have], starting from Nietzsche onwards...
In Zurich a certain Kalvin went round the city with his followers and would burst into people's houses, tearing down any curtains/nets, stating that "decent people have nothing to hide"...
In Africa and other sub- and tropical places, the UK colonisers wore loadsa clothes against the climate showing that they are in control of their bodies, hence of themselves and that therefore they are supposed to be in control of others, as their's is a superior attitude and strength of mind over body....
In XIXc British literature we see scenes where a courting couple, with a whole entourage, of course, exchanges "pleasantries" and when the man has to excuse himself to go to the loo, he has a surprise waiting for him when he comes back. The young woman turns him down because "how can he be expected to control her if he can't control himself"... The values and attitudes are all related to the basic premisses of such an epoch, especially its beginning: domination and exploitation.
One can go on.
These are cultural "misunderstandings" one has to learn about - hostorically, too - as one otherwise misses a joke, for instance, if one doesn't understand the context properly...
And contexts of this sort are invariably complex... This is just a few bits thrown into the mix, which can't be understood merely "anthropologically"...
'Ere, Govs, ban me: I'm from the Balkans. You ain't seen nuthin' yet - 'till you see a Balkanic party or just a plain, everyday "conversation", especially if politics is involved...
But seriously: as one goes North-West [in EU terms] capitalism and individualism grow stronger. Some would say "mix in the Protestantism" and you get a really hard place, as there's no hiding place from all of those, including a "personal relationship with God" [i.e. not necessarily mediated by the Church]. "A decent [Protestant] man has two jobs: one to feed the family and the other to rest from the first one!" Think about it!!!
The symptoms, among other things, from all of those combined, are growth of "personal space" [really small in places with a strong "common consciousness", way down South-East, where clans and tribes are the norm, all too frequently - and huge, by comaprison, when you come to England, for instance: no touching, please, no sex, no directness, no familiarity, no.... etc. etc. etc.].
So, being calculated/reserved/in control of yourself, i.e. your body, your impulses, your urges, your emotions is the norm, since "showing emotion" means admitting being vulnerable in those areas, hence weak and those points can be exploited by one's opponents. And let's not forget, it's "everybody against everybody" in such a world-view. Many an author have pointed out the unbearable heaviness of being "way too rational" all the time [way too many, as we can see from psycho-problems many millions living in those countries reportedly have], starting from Nietzsche onwards...
In Zurich a certain Kalvin went round the city with his followers and would burst into people's houses, tearing down any curtains/nets, stating that "decent people have nothing to hide"...
In Africa and other sub- and tropical places, the UK colonisers wore loadsa clothes against the climate showing that they are in control of their bodies, hence of themselves and that therefore they are supposed to be in control of others, as their's is a superior attitude and strength of mind over body....
In XIXc British literature we see scenes where a courting couple, with a whole entourage, of course, exchanges "pleasantries" and when the man has to excuse himself to go to the loo, he has a surprise waiting for him when he comes back. The young woman turns him down because "how can he be expected to control her if he can't control himself"... The values and attitudes are all related to the basic premisses of such an epoch, especially its beginning: domination and exploitation.
One can go on.
These are cultural "misunderstandings" one has to learn about - hostorically, too - as one otherwise misses a joke, for instance, if one doesn't understand the context properly...
And contexts of this sort are invariably complex... This is just a few bits thrown into the mix, which can't be understood merely "anthropologically"...
The Groke
hot hail/Paging Dr. Beat
...and you frequently do.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
gorski
customised free radical
Bang to Rights
Well-Known Member
Two names - same character. Curious how one pops up just as the other gets banned. 
I must be deaf... But I think not. I think the OP isn't used to Arabic.. it may sound a bit weird to outsiders.
You don't need to shout to drive your opponent along with his whole family and ancestry in the ground like a leek. Needs no more then 3 words, maximum.
I think Africans are always speaking loud, but that is because of the sound of their language (many speak Ashanti and almost every African I know, knows that language) and the volume of their voice supported by the sinal cavities that come with the shape of their facial bone structure. That is why you have so many fantastic African singers too (from opera to jazz artists).
salaam.
You don't need to shout to drive your opponent along with his whole family and ancestry in the ground like a leek. Needs no more then 3 words, maximum.
I think Africans are always speaking loud, but that is because of the sound of their language (many speak Ashanti and almost every African I know, knows that language) and the volume of their voice supported by the sinal cavities that come with the shape of their facial bone structure. That is why you have so many fantastic African singers too (from opera to jazz artists).
salaam.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
There are times I'm glad I'm in the time zone I am. I often miss the most assinine posts.
(Except, of course, when I post myself. <yes, I'm saying it before someone else does.
>)
(Except, of course, when I post myself. <yes, I'm saying it before someone else does.
>)
Miss Caphat
I want it that way
Yeah, I don't understand these boards sometimes. Or maybe I do and just don't like it. I'm always ashamed when my fellow Americans start coming on these boards and spouting a bunch of ignorant nonsense. It also find it really frustrating that the other users keep giving them the respect, simply by acknowledging them, that they don't deserve, and that they seem to have to go to great lengths in order to get banned. Some part of me knows it's the freak show aspect of it that's keeping them here, the affirmation that we (Americans) are a nation of dumb hicks that makes some people feel superior and/or justified in their prejudices against americans?
Bang to Rights
Well-Known Member
Would it be of any comfort to know that some of these "respect-rendering" contributors are actually one and the same person - or that there are "forum mates" that surf the boards together in order to disrupt the flow? "Trolls" in other words.
I'm afraid so. But I don't think "dumb hick" is the correct word for it. I (personally) am of the opinion that there are a great number of your countrymen who are frustrated beyond all sense and seek relief by disturbing those of us who are equally frustrated but would rather seek relief by congenial banter.
"Nationalism" is one of those self-destructive notions that we too often cling to - either in order to associate ourselves with glory or as an excuse to pin the blame on others. Anyway you look at it, it isn't fair to you or the majority of your countrymen.
But then again, Americans are no less guilty than I/us.Swarfega: I was addressing the comments suggesting his banning, not saying he HAD been banned. I do not know about Detroit, I do not recall seing anything anti-Jewish from him and I would probably be the one to have notices it (but never have reported it). Anyway, that is on the Mods.
Bang to Rights
Well-Known Member
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=268997
Specifically ....
I don't know if you consider this ""anti-Jewish". I think that I do.
Miss Caphat
I want it that way
Would it be of any comfort to know that some of these "respect-rendering" contributors are actually one and the same person - or that there are "forum mates" that surf the boards together in order to disrupt the flow? "Trolls" in other words.
I'm afraid so. But I don't think "dumb hick" is the correct word for it. I (personally) am of the opinion that there are a great number of your countrymen who are frustrated beyond all sense and seek relief by disturbing those of us who are equally frustrated but would rather seek relief by congenial banter.
"Nationalism" is one of those self-destructive notions that we too often cling to - either in order to associate ourselves with glory or as an excuse to pin the blame on others. Anyway you look at it, it isn't fair to you or the majority of your countrymen.
Thanks, that was well said.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
as was your post.
We don't think you're all like DC, PBman, Rentonite et al. We just think you need to kill them wid your gunz
Just kidding Miss C,
There's lots of nice Americans on these boards and lots of other nice national reps
I think most people who've been here a while are just used to the sort of 'free republic' posters who turn up from time to time and some are quick to take the gloves off and have a ruck. It's part of the culture in world pol. Not saying it's right but in context it happens. In reality i think most the sound people here just take people as they come, regardless of race, Creed, culture, gender, affection toward kittehs, etc.You have a nice day
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