Arab place names to be removed in Israel

[Quest]

Yup.
The elimination of Arab place-names is entirely political, part of a Zionism-inspired project to gradually "erase" the "Arab taint" from eretz yisroel.

You say that as though it's a bad thing.

 

[tangentlama]

It is a bad thing to remove Arabic place names from 'the map'.

 

[Random]

 

[ViolentPanda]

You say that as though it's a bad thing.

Can you explain to me why it isn't (by which I mean a decent explanation, not a load of dreck motivated by religious and/or ideological concerns)?

 

[ViolentPanda]

It is a bad thing to remove Arabic place names from 'the map'.

It's an even worse thing to attempt to erase a part of a land's history just because it doesn't suit your religio-political narrative.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Mmmm, posting history seems to indicate former Monday Club membership.

 

[cuban pete]

Spring peeper either you are a dead pan comedy genius, or a brain dead political moron

my moneys on the 2nd one.

 

[rennie]

They can erase all they like. It don't mean shit, we won't forget!

 

[ViolentPanda]

They can erase all they like. It don't mean shit, we won't forget!

Quite.

However, the big problem here lies with the fact that he who controls the historical discourse can, to a certain extent, control the way history is "produced", so that the dominant "side" gets to set the historical agenda. We can already see this "agenda-setting" at work in the state of Israel's banning of the use of the word "nakba" from textbooks for Arab Israeli children.
If all that's left as evidence of wrongdoing is memory, it's so much easier for the hegemonic power to dismiss reality as faulty recall.
Remember: "We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia".

 

[Urbanblues]

no .. but the removal of english i can understand .. i do not believe it is one of the languages of israel and is presumably a hangover from the mandate

What about all those Israeli settlers from London, Manchester and New York?

 

[Urbanblues]

Ilan Pappe has a very good chapter on this in his book

Yes, 'The Memoricide of the Nakba'. The Naming Committee, in place to Hebraize Palestine's geography, can be traced back to an older organisation set up in 1920!

 

[Fullyplumped]

Yes, 'The Memoricide of the Nakba'. The Naming Committee, in place to Hebraize Palestine's geography, can be traced back to an older organisation set up in 1920!

Which older organisation set up in 1920?

 

[Urbanblues]

Which older organisation set up in 1920?

My apologies, misquoted the original:

“This mission was accomplished with the help of archaeologists and biblical experts who volunteered to serve on an official Naming Committee whose job it was to Hebraize Palestine’s geography.

This naming committee was in fact an old outfit, already in place in 1920, when it acted as an ad hoc group of scholars that granted Hebrew names to lands and places newly purchased by the Jews, and they continued to do so for lands and places taken by force during the Nakba.”

Ilan Pappe: ‘The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine’ p226

 

[Fullyplumped]

My apologies, misquoted the original:

Thank you, that was helpful.

 

[spring-peeper]

Here's the latest from our city that wants to remove all foreign names from their streets.

Montreal's French identity is being eroded by the creeping influence of the English language, examples of which include street signs that are graced with the names of genocidal British conquerors, says a Montreal city councillor.

In order to curtail the invasion, Nicolas Montmorency, an independent councillor in Montreal's east end municipality of Riviere-des-Prairies-Pointe-aux-Trembles, is proposing the city rename Amherst Street, named after the former commander and chief of the British army who captured Canada, Jeffrey Amherst.

He is also asking councillors to vote to cease using "non-francophone expressions" in public places and to "Frenchisize" existing English street names, such as McGill College Avenue and City Councillors Street.

The two motions will be proposed at the Aug. 24 city council meeting that he hopes will "bring back Montreal's French character," according to the Facebook group he has set up.

The first motion cites that Montreal's "essence and charter" make it a French city, and the French language is at the heart of the identity and culture of all Montrealers regardless of origin, therefore all public places should have French names and expressions.

The second motion claims that Jeffrey Amherst pioneered the practice of genocide in the Americas with the use of bacterial agents and also states that he had previously declared the native people a "vile race."

"The culture and history of Montreal's English should not be unjustly represented by someone overtly in favour of the extermination of a people," reads the motion.

Amherst was the British commander who captured Louisbourg in 1758, then laid siege to Montreal, forcing the French to capitulate in 1760.

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[Random]

Sad to see you supporting genocide, peeper

 

[spring-peeper]

Sad to see you supporting genocide, peeper

Where on earth did you get that idea?

 

[Random]

Where on earth did you get that idea?

Don't try to wriggle out of it. Imperialist.

 

[spring-peeper]

Don't try to wriggle out of it.

Dude - Canada wasn't even a country then. It was under British rule!!!

YOU DID IT!!!!

If Canada had have been a country then, it would never have happened. We have rules, standards and, quite basically, are too nice!!!

Imperialist.

Not me, mate - I'm a colonialist. We moved here to get escape of your imperialistic mentality.

 

[Random]

Dude - Canada wasn't even a country then. It was under British rule!!!

YOU DID IT!!!!

Well, maybe, but I'm very, very sorry. And to make up for it I think we should give Canada to the French.

 

[spring-peeper]

Well, maybe, but I'm very, very sorry. And to make up for it I think we should give Canada to the French.

nope - over here, it's traditional to give money when you apologise. Please send you certified cheque to spring-peeper, c/o "Save the Anglophones".

And to make up for it I think we should give Canada to the French.

France-French - I don't think so!!! They have two tiny little islands in the St. Lawrence and that's all they get.

If you meant the French-Canadians, you are too late. They already control it.

 

[Random]

nope - over here, it's traditional to give money when you apologise. Please send you certified cheque to spring-peeper, c/o "Save the Anglophones".




France-French - I don't think so!!! They have two tiny little islands in the St. Lawrence and that's all they get.

If you meant the French-Canadians, you are too late. They already control it.

Anglophone, eh? Genocide, I say. And your denial of the Frenchness of the Original Indigenous Colonisers is another black mark against you.

I'm joining that facebbok group.