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Apple threatens bloggers again

tarannau said:
And it's very unlikely your pc can run mac OSX, Linux and Windows on the same box....

Well mine can, as can most modern PCs.

cybertect said:
DRM is only applied to tracks you purchase through the iTunes Store. Even then it's fairly trivial to overcome

It stops the average user from using any device but an iPod. Cracking the DRM is completely illegal.

cybertect said:
'DRMed to the max' would be something like degrading or refusing to play unsigned, unprotected media files because their provenance is dubious. Something like the arrangements for Hi-Def video in Vista, say...

The alternative being, not playing HD-DVDs or BRDs. This is the fault of the companies behind these technologies, not Microsoft.
 
At the end of the day, if you don't enforce your intellectual property rights then you lose them. If Apple allow their interface to be cloned without any action, that looks bad in court as the other side can claim that the interface has effectively become generic.

I think Google and Yahoo handing over information to the Chinese authorities is a bigger threat to freedom than Apple pursuing its' long term strategy of maintaining secrecy about products before they are launched.

When Jobs set up Next after being booted out of Apple in the 1980s, he demanded that the factory was entirely robotic so that each computer could be made without ever being touched by human hands.

This was to ensure that he could maintain secrecy from his own workforce. Is it any wonder that bloggers are getting unpleasant treatment?
 
ExtraRefined said:
Well mine can, as can most modern PCs.


Hmmmm. I'd be more than a little surprised, indeed shocked, if you were actually running OSX on your pc.

I'm not talking a skin by the way, I'm talking the whole OS. If you can use Core Audio, all the font gubbins, run iMovie and a host of other Mac apps on your pc I'd be more than impressed, you'd be the toast of geeks everywhere.

This thread seems to be divided between anti-apple zealots who keep spouting uninformed bollocks and those capable of more moderate analysis some unpleasantness from Apple.
 
tarannau said:
Hmmmm. I'd be more than a little surprised, indeed shocked, if you were actually running OSX on your pc.

I'm not talking a skin by the way, I'm talking the whole OS. If you can use Core Audio, all the font gubbins, run iMovie and a host of other Mac apps on your pc I'd be more than impressed, you'd be the toast of geeks everywhere.

This thread seems to be divided between anti-apple zealots who keep spouting uninformed bollocks and those capable of more moderate analysis some unpleasantness from Apple.

It's not that hard. I run linux and windows side by side (two desktops) using virtualisation and I'm pretty sure I could stick osx on there as well if I wanted to. If you've got something with the same hardware profile as a mac you probably wouldn't even have to fiddle.
 
I don't see the problem here. Loads of emulators out there and virtualisation is improving rapidly. Playing with loads of virtualisation on different boxes. A mac OS won't be that hard to run along side *BSD, *NIX, *doze,...
 
tarannau said:
Hmmmm. I'd be more than a little surprised, indeed shocked, if you were actually running OSX on your pc.

I'd be slightly impressed, seeing as its possible but a big hassle to get going right. (What with the lack of drivers written for non-blessed non-non Apple hardware...!
 
ExtraRefined said:
It stops the average user from using any device but an iPod. Cracking the DRM is completely illegal.

Who said anything about cracking? Burn to a non-DRM AIFF on a CD and play it with another device, such as a domestic CD player. Perfectly within the terms that you're sold the track by Apple. Many other media players will play AIFF files. Of course, you could then re-rip that AIFF to some other compressed non-DRM file format at the cost of some audio quality (though I'm a little unsure of the legality of that).

Now I refuse to buy from iTMS on the grounds that I won't pay for lossily-compressed music, especially at 128 kbps. Very little to do with DRM.

ExtraRefined said:
Well mine can, as can most modern PCs.

If you're actually running OS X on regular PC hardware, that too is illegal (outside the T&Cs that govern your purchased your copy of OS X). :)

The alternative being, not playing HD-DVDs or BRDs. This is the fault of the companies behind these technologies, not Microsoft.

I won't disagree too much with this, but you could say exactly the same of Apple retailing copy-protected music online through the iTunes Store.

At the time of its launch nobody else was doing it because nobody else was able to persuade the major record labels to let them - and the labels weren't going to let anyone sell unprotected music.

'The companies behind these technologies' are the usual suspects, BTW... the MPAA et. al. ;)
 
jæd said:
Poster is trolling, hoping for a Windows vs Apple spat... :rolleyes:

I don't care if we have a spat or not, and I don't feel myself trolled if people disagree with me on an internet discussion board.

I think though, that I was confusing itunes with the ipod. The online store I've read about DRMs their offerings, prices the music more expensively here than in the US, and somehow limits the number of back up copies you can make of them.

I've nothing against the little players, save that I've never bought one due to the disturbing reports about their screens being easily scratched and tend to have fading battery life.
 
hendo said:
I don't care if we have a spat or not, and I don't feel myself trolled if people disagree with me on an internet discussion board.

Its not that I disagree with, its just that your basic facts are incorrect... :rolleyes: :cool:
 
tarannau said:
Hmmmm. I'd be more than a little surprised, indeed shocked, if you were actually running OSX on your pc.

I'm not talking a skin by the way, I'm talking the whole OS. If you can use Core Audio, all the font gubbins, run iMovie and a host of other Mac apps on your pc I'd be more than impressed, you'd be the toast of geeks everywhere.
Ummm, I've got all three os's (Win OSX86 Linux) running on one of my PC's core audio, front gubbins and QE CI supported on gfx with OSX86. Not installed/tried imovies atm. There's plenty of info on how to to do this out there *cough*. As for a geek award well I don't really think I deserve one that's best awarded to the developers.
 
cybertect said:
Anyway, back on topic and by way of playing Devil's advocate...

What happens if we were to apply the Ed's (quite liberal) terms for the use of his photos to the use Apple's iPhone graphics in a skin for a different product?
I don't think the terms of use of my personal photos are even remotely comparable here, but I've let an awful lot of people use them for free over the years, moreover I've had them on the internet for surfers to enjoy for free for over a decade.
 
tarannau said:
Hmmmm. I'd be more than a little surprised, indeed shocked, if you were actually running OSX on your pc.

I'm not talking a skin by the way, I'm talking the whole OS. If you can use Core Audio, all the font gubbins, run iMovie and a host of other Mac apps on your pc I'd be more than impressed, you'd be the toast of geeks everywhere.

This thread seems to be divided between anti-apple zealots who keep spouting uninformed bollocks and those capable of more moderate analysis some unpleasantness from Apple.

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
 
editor said:
I don't think the terms of use of my personal photos are even remotely comparable here, but I've let an awful lot of people use them for free over the years, moreover I've had them on the internet for surfers to enjoy for free for over a decade.

Absolutely, but presumably with your prior permission.

If someone were to take put them on a CD-ROM or a screensaver and start distributing them without asking first, I'd imagine you'd be getting a bit jumpy. :)

Anyhow, In lawyer-speak, the email was a nicely-worded request.

There's a topical detail to the linked story: it was reported on an Australian site. The Australian Federal Court last year decided controversially that linking to copyright material could be an infringement in itself.

The Cooper Case.

e2a: I have a nagging 'hoax lawyer email' doubt in the back of my mind, mostly because they can't get the name of their clients correct. Quite probably wrong, but hey.

Final thoughts: I don't like it much, but I'm hardly surprised. This is the kind of thing lawyers do.
 
teqniq said:
Ummm, I've got all three os's (Win OSX86 Linux) running on one of my PC's core audio, front gubbins and QE CI supported on gfx with OSX86. Not installed/tried imovies atm. There's plenty of info on how to to do this out there *cough*.

So which apps are running on it...? An o/s without running applications are a bit pointless...

teqniq said:
As for a geek award well I don't really think I deserve one that's best awarded to the developers.

Well... Since Mac Minis are £399 a pop and don't need constant tweaking to keep running there's some kind award here... Btw, "developers" are just doing a job....
 
editor said:
I don't think the terms of use of my personal photos are even remotely comparable here, but I've let an awful lot of people use them for free over the years, moreover I've had them on the internet for surfers to enjoy for free for over a decade.

So... You're completely cool with me making a website on urban issues (specifically those in Hoxten), and making it look kind of the same as urban75, and with your pictures...? (Answer carefully here 'cos it could be binding...) :D
 
jæd said:
So... You're completely cool with me making a website on urban issues (specifically those in Hoxten), and making it look kind of the same as urban75, and with your pictures...?
There's already been several sites made 'in the style of' urban75 - some with big, fuck off budgets too - but I would take your image use requests on a case by case basis.

But no mater how you spin it, it's really not a valid comparison to the use of pretend interface on a phone.
 
editor said:
There's already been several sites made 'in the style of' urban75 - some with big, fuck off budgets too - but I would take your image use requests on a case by case basis.

But if I used your images without asking first, would you ask me stop...?

editor said:
But no mater how you spin it, it's really not a valid comparison to the use of pretend interface on a phone.

Btw, its not a "pretend" interface. Its a skin for an interface, which means it actually works...
 
jæd said:
But if I used your images without asking first, would you ask me stop...?
Can't be arsed with this, to be honest. There is no comparison between the corporate might of Apple and l'il ol'me.

But if I had their vast pots of money, I doubt if I'd be particularly bothered by a fanboy making a free homage interface.

After all, it would all be free advertising and free marketing for my product.
 
editor said:
But if I had their vast pots of money, I doubt if I'd be particularly bothered by a fanboy making a free homage interface.

And this is the eternal conflict between Lawyer and Marketers...!
 
jæd said:
So which apps are running on it...? An o/s without running applications are a bit pointless...
Audio apps, Reason Live etc.

Well... Since Mac Minis are £399 a pop and don't need constant tweaking to keep running there's some kind award here... Btw, "developers" are just doing a job....
I could say more about this, however I'd be derailing the thread again. Maybe it needs it's own - not that I'm volunteering.
 
Pie 1 said:
Forgive my naivity, but if you wanted & liked OSX enough to go to all that trouble wouldn't you just, err... buy an iMac?

(or is it a geek thing?)

Some people might want to run whatever OS they choose without having to shell out for an overpriced mac that is a bitch to upgrade.
 
RaverDrew said:
Some people might want to run whatever OS they choose without having to shell out for an overpriced mac that is a bitch to upgrade.

Must be a new meaning of "over-priced"... What is this, see how many Mac-myths we can get into one thread...?
 
RaverDrew said:
So mac hardware is not priced more than it's PC equivalent ?

pull the other one :D

Go on then... Find me an assembled Small-Form-Factor PC for the spec and dimensions of the Mini, but for (say) £100 off...
 
jæd said:
Go on then... Find me an assembled Small-Form-Factor PC for the spec and dimensions of the Mini, but for (say) £100 off...
Dunno about mini PCs (although this ugly thing looks cheap enough), but you can get outrageously cheap PCs now, way cheaper than anything you get from Apple.

This one is just 150 quid!
 
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