souljacker
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editor said:
no then.
"Apple should dump the iPhone." But would you buy one?
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editor
hiraethified
Well, the iPhone isn't exactly that much of a crazy innovation - the high end market was already moving in that direction - check out LG's KE850 phone on the right (which came first).Crispy said:ok, that is pricey. Well, we'll see
Like the ipod, I think it will be a luxury stus item for the first 2-3 years, then by revision 4 or 5, every other person will have one (or an imitation)
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/01/11/iphone-and-lg-ke850-separated-at-birth/
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Crispy said:
Yep...I reckon we could see this phone for free over here.
ivebeenhigh
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Dvorak is a sensationalist obnoxious twunt. his cranky geeks show winds me up something chronic.
i will probably get an iphone. and pay for it. expect a "I've been mugged for my iphone" thread sometime within the next 12 months.
i will probably get an iphone. and pay for it. expect a "I've been mugged for my iphone" thread sometime within the next 12 months.
mauvais
on reddit or something
I think he's on the money bar a few things like it being obsolete so quickly. I can't see it being a genuine business success - they might take a big hit to make it look like one though. Really though, anything could happen. I don't know how Motorola do so well - shit phones, shit usability, shit features, massive market share.
mhendo
Aussie in San Francisco
Maybe not quite the first 2-3 years.Crispy said:ok, that is pricey. Well, we'll see
Like the ipod, I think it will be a luxury stus item for the first 2-3 years, then by revision 4 or 5, every other person will have one (or an imitation)
Not sure whether this news has received much attention over there in Blighty, but Apple has just dropped the price of the 8Gb iPhone from $599 to $399. Link It looks like they might drop the poor-selling 4Gb edition altogether.
As this Wired blog points out, that means that if you lined up for hours to pay 600 bucks for an iPhone two months ago, your new gadget has depreciated more than $3.00 per day since then.
Quite a few iPhone customers are pretty pissed. Early adopters generally expect to pay something of a premium, but they usually don't expect the price of their new toy to drop by one third in less than 10 weeks. Apple is offering $100 in store credit to people who bought one before the price drop.
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
Dandred said:What does this iPhone do?
Here in Korea all the new hand phones have cameras, mp3's, live TV, blue tooth, unlimited games available for download, GPS, internet access....I could go on.
What's the big deal about iphones?
Apple doesn't need to make something either unique or first rate because Apple is purely about the truimph of design.
I'm sure the iPhone will be just as popular in the mobile phone market as iPods have been in the MP3.
arronsmith
New Member
My real concern about the iPhone isn't the initial cost of the device, which after the price cut is, I think, fairly reasonable value given the feature set (and vast potential for expansion). Instead, I worry that I can't afford the upkeep - the AT&T aspect of things is hardly cheap in the US. I guess I'll wait and see what the networks come up with over here.
mhendo
Aussie in San Francisco
Well, i'm no big Apple booster, and i don't own a single Apple product, but i think you're sort of missing the point.Divisive Cotton said:
The design and interface of the iPhone is precisely what is unique and first-rate about the device. Even reviewers who have criticized the iPhone's call quality etc. have virtually all agreed that the interface itself is fantastic. In a world where virtually any decent electronics company can make a phone with camera, mp3, email, etc., etc., one thing that can set you apart from the crowd is the quality of the interface, because that will determine how easy the product is for the end user to operate. And Apple is really good at that stuff.
I have no need and no desire for an iPhone, and i still think it was rather massively over-hyped, but you can't really separate the design and interface from the quality of the product as a whole. It's an integral part of the product.
I doubt that. The competition in the phone market is much stiffer than it ever has been in the MP3 player market, and Apple is a relative latecomer trying to compete against a whole bunch of established names.Divisive Cotton said:
Also, while MP3 players are almost exclusively leisure devices, phones are, for many people, business decisions, and products like the Blackberry and Treo ranges have already cornered a significant part of the high-end, multi-purpose-organizer phone market.
There's also the issue of providers. Right now, the iPhone is only available on one carrier in the US (although a couple of people have hacked the hardware to allow the phone to be used on any carrier), and plenty of people are already tied into contract with other carriers, and/or don't want to switch to AT&T. MP3 players have no such carrier issues.
Finally, if you don't need a high-end phone for work, and if you already have a cell phone and a 30 or 60 gig iPod, why bother forking over $600 (now $400) for an 8 gig iPod that is also a phone? Especially when the new iPhone-style interfaces will probably also soon be available on regular iPods.
Sunray
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Apple were never about new features in the gadget world. I had a hard disk MP3 player before the iPod. What they did was make the best MP3 player you could create. Its so perfect that it cannot be beaten without copying it so heavily that you'd be faced with a law suit.
The iPhone is the same. Less innovation in terms of new features but innovation in execution of existing features with a sense of beauty.
Its not a PDA and Apple have made no bones about its PDA credentials. If a PDA is what you want, buy a PDA. Apple cannot ensure the quality of other peoples software, in this they don't want to. For every decent app on the Palm, there are loads of crap ones. But thats Apples against Pears.
What the iPhone does, without even using one, I can guess it does really very well indeed. Give it a 6-12 months, and it'll do it even better.
What Apple got wrong is the price. In the US they might accept 2 year contract and pay 300 quid, but if its that much here? I doubt they are going to get many takers unless its below 100 quid for 12 months contract, 70 quid might tempt me.
The iPhone is the same. Less innovation in terms of new features but innovation in execution of existing features with a sense of beauty.
Its not a PDA and Apple have made no bones about its PDA credentials. If a PDA is what you want, buy a PDA. Apple cannot ensure the quality of other peoples software, in this they don't want to. For every decent app on the Palm, there are loads of crap ones. But thats Apples against Pears.
What the iPhone does, without even using one, I can guess it does really very well indeed. Give it a 6-12 months, and it'll do it even better.
What Apple got wrong is the price. In the US they might accept 2 year contract and pay 300 quid, but if its that much here? I doubt they are going to get many takers unless its below 100 quid for 12 months contract, 70 quid might tempt me.
mhendo
Aussie in San Francisco
Well, except make telephone calls, if many of the reviews are to be believed. It is, after all, called an iPhone, so you'd think that they would have got the "phone" part right.Sunray said:
Not sure if i'm misreading your post, or if you're just unaware of the pricing structure here in the US.Sunray said:
The $600 (now $400 after the price drop) is for the hardware alone. You are also obliged to sign up for two years of AT&T mobile service at a base price of $80 a month. Basically, the minimum commitment over two years for an iPhone customer is over $2000. Link
editor
hiraethified
I wouldn't call a phone that can't even take videos, send picture messages or even perform basic cut'n'paste as doing its job "really very well indeed."Sunray said:
I can search/dial/text contacts quicker from my 2yr od Treo than from a brand new iPhone. That kind of stuff is more important to me than an admittedly very attractive interface and smartypants touchscreen, but then I guess it's all about what you want from a phone.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Wouldn't have one if you gave it me for free.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Dealjæd said:Seems a bit self-limiting... If you ever get one given to you free, drop us a PM...?
Would I buy one?
No.
Primarally because I simply have no use for something like it at the moment.
I do phone call's & texting. I've never needed to see an email so desperately that I need it on a mobile tap, and I have my laptop with me when working away from base.
Secondly, as with most apple hardware, it's better to wait until they've been road tested for a little while first.
No.
Primarally because I simply have no use for something like it at the moment.
I do phone call's & texting. I've never needed to see an email so desperately that I need it on a mobile tap, and I have my laptop with me when working away from base.
Secondly, as with most apple hardware, it's better to wait until they've been road tested for a little while first.
Kanda
Diving wanker
mhendo said:
$2000 for 2 years isn't a lot is it?? Even if it's just a £30/month deal with no calls added (assume some free minutes/texts) that'll take you to £1440 for 2 years...
My bill for 2 years is approximately £2160, so $4000 ish...
Depends on the provider you can get the iPhone on but I guess if I can get it on my current plan or similar I'll go buy one.
bouncer_the_dog
Well-Known Member
Hmm.. I really want an iPhone. I will not be using any of its functions, just poncing around withit. My Phone bill in 2 years would be approx £700
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
editor said:I get a ton of email and regularly use my phone to read and reply to mails on the move. It does the job just fine.
And I can cut and paste!
You can imagine that Apple will sort these out in the next 12 or so months. They sorted out just about every little feature for the iPod and included support for a idea that wasn't theirs, the PodCast.
I don't use email on my mobile because I don't want to have my email on my phone. When I need my email its on my laptop.
editor
hiraethified
I'll wager you a lovely beer that the Palm will be faster than the iPhone at searching, ringing and SMSing a contact.Crispy said:
That's 'cos it's got a proper keyboard with customisable hotkeys and fast search and you don't have to piss about with all that purdy but slow virtual scrolling bollocks.
If there was wi-fi in the house (which there isn't in the Albert), and you want to look at graphics-heavy pages, the iPhone would race past the Palm, mind.
The browser on the Treo wouldn't look out of place on the set of 'When Dinosaurs Ruled The Earth.'
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
editor said:
Your assuming I want an iPhone.
I nearly bought an iTouch, but for the very same reason as I'd not get a iPhone, its too big and I've faced up to the gadget freak in me and won. Its of little use because I don't commute anywhere. I cycle so anything beyond texting and talking and on my K800i the odd picture.
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