apple powerbook vs sony vaio

[pk]

Then you should stop giving advice on hardware, since you clearly know shit about it.

The macbook uses a 2.0Ghz Core Duo, the Macbook Pro has a 2.16 Ghz Core Duo.

Within about 30 seconds of opening up a new window i found a laptop that uses a 2.0Ghz Merom Core 2 Duo CPU, the new generation of laptop CPUs based upon the Conroe architecture. Apple is using old technology at the moment.

In about 20 seconds more i can find a laptop that uses a 6800EE CPU, the fastest CPU around for home use. Trust me when i say that it's not made or sold by apple. If you want power then apple is not the way to go.

All the power in the world is useless if it's not used properly.

Just ask Richard Hammond.

You show me a PC laptop able to capture 1080i HDCam footage whilst surfing Urban and messing about with Photoshop at the same time and I'll buy the fucker tomorrow.

Meanwhile, can anyone translate this bollocks into plain English?

PAGE_FAULT_IN_NON-PAGED_AREA

Technical Information:

*** STOP: 0x00000000050

*** nv4_disp.dll - Address BF9C50FA base at BF9BB000, DateStamp 3e5ac6a3

 

[Bob_the_lost]

I don't really care. The apple range uses a slower (2.16Ghz rather than 2.33Ghz) older (Core Duo vs Core 2 Duo) and all round inferior CPU than certain Doze based machines will. It is not the most powerful machine around (let's say you wanted to render high resolution movie files, where the better CPU comes in handy...)

If you're that much of an OSX fan then install it on the doze machine, or use unix.

That error code has been known to be due to bad RAM but you'll need to find the error file to see what process exactly failed.

 

[pk]

I don't really care. The apple range uses a slower (2.16Ghz rather than 2.33Ghz) older (Core Duo vs Core 2 Duo) and all round inferior CPU than certain Doze based machines will. It is not the most powerful machine around (let's say you wanted to render high resolution movie files, where the better CPU comes in handy...)

If you're that much of an OSX fan then install it on the doze machine, or use unix.

That error code has been known to be due to bad RAM but you'll need to find the error file to see what process exactly failed.

I was thinking, would finding the error file be possible using a pair of pliars and a flamethrower on this overpriced piece of shit?

 

[pk]

I don't really care. The apple range uses a slower (2.16Ghz rather than 2.33Ghz) older (Core Duo vs Core 2 Duo) and all round inferior CPU than certain Doze based machines will. It is not the most powerful machine around (let's say you wanted to render high resolution movie files, where the better CPU comes in handy...)

If you're that much of an OSX fan then install it on the doze machine, or use unix.

That error code has been known to be due to bad RAM but you'll need to find the error file to see what process exactly failed.

Besides, all this 2.16/2.33 means fuck all... all I want is a machine that does what I want it to do 24 hours a day without whining like a bitch.

Macs do that, PC's do not.

I am a harsh master. When equipment fucks up, I kick it.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Sounds like you might need to check your page file too, check it's set to be twice your physical RAM's volume and then run memtest (more common failure but i doubt you're overclocking).

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Besides, all this 2.16/2.33 means fuck all... all I want is a machine that does what I want it to do 24 hours a day without whining like a bitch.

Macs do that, PC's do not.

I am a harsh master. When equipment fucks up, I kick it.

You said the macbook (or macbook pro) was faster than any PC laptop you'd heard of. Now you know better, don't go changing the topic now.

 

[pk]

Sounds like you might need to check your page file too, check it's set to be twice your physical RAM's volume and then run memtest (more common failure but i doubt you're overclocking).

Meh?

I'm not a boffin, I'm just the master of my machinery, proper machinery that is.

Most of my equipment is over 10 years old, if it goes wrong, it gets thrown in a skip and replaced.
I don't have time to tinker with it. I want it to work, straight out of the box, perfectly, without pissing about with the internal workings.

Which is precisely why I dig the Mac G4/5.

I shouldn't HAVE to piss about with flaws in the OS, fucking virus patches, making up for Gates' mistakes.

Mac aren't perfect, and their old £300 iPods were a con, frankly, but you cannot knock a decent G4 running OSX for reliability.

I'm too busy to learn about Boolean bollocks and whatever shite just to keep a fucking computer running. I switch it on - it works, no more no less.

 

[pk]

You said the macbook (or macbook pro) was faster than any PC laptop you'd heard of. Now you know better, don't go changing the topic now.

Bet it cannot handle doing more than one thing at a time though.

Can it capture HD video whilst I piss about on Urban75 and Photoshop at the same time??

I seriously doubt it.

(btw - don't take my frustration as rudeness, I appreciate your help!)

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Umm, if it's pagefile then it's probably a user/configuration error. Perhaps some abuse to gates is due for making it so obscure but not much imo.

If it's a RAM problem then it's hardware.

The slighlty less techie explanation is that there was a problem with your memory. There are two types, physical and virtual. The physical is RAM, the virtual is where the Hard drive is told to pretend to be RAM for a bit which lets you run a program that needs 1GB of RAM with only 512mb of physical RAM, the hard drive is used to store the extra information, slower than physical RAM but it does work.

If you run out of RAM then the pagefile (virtual RAM) is used, if you run out of pagefile then your computer explodes. To find your PF go to task manager and "Performance" look at the bottom left corner in "commit charge (K)" at the line that says "limit" that should be twice the size of "Physical Memory (k)" "Total". If it isn't then follow the instructions here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308417 to change the PF to the right size.

If it is twice the size of your RAM then it could be the hardware, either test with new/different sticks or remove all but one and try turning on the machine again. RAM is pretty reliable stuff but it does fail occasionally. Try it with known good RAM if you can (tricky as you'll probably be using Registered RAM with a machine that expensive).

This is all based upon the machine booting at all, if it isn't then there's other things you can try.

(edit: I'm using a 1.6Ghz semperon CPU, it routinely does more than 2 things at once that need a decent fraction of the CPU cycles. I've got an AMD X2 that has been used to compress video and play games at the same time )

 

[pk]

Umm, if it's pagefile then it's probably a user/configuration error. Perhaps some abuse to gates is due for making it so obscure but not much imo.

If it's a RAM problem then it's hardware.

The slighlty less techie explanation is that there was a problem with your memory. There are two types, physical and virtual. The physical is RAM, the virtual is where the Hard drive is told to pretend to be RAM for a bit which lets you run a program that needs 1GB of RAM with only 512mb of physical RAM.

If you run out of RAM then the pagefile (virtual RAM) is used, if you run out of pagefile then your computer explodes. To find your PF go to task manager and "Performance" look at the bottom left corner in "commit charge (K)" at the line that says "limit" that should be twice the size of "Physical Memory (k)" "Total". If it isn't then follow the instructions here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308417 to change the PF to the right size.

If it is twice the size of your RAM then it could be the hardware, either test with new/different sticks or remove all but one and try turning on the machine again. RAM is pretty reliable stuff but it does fail occasionally. Try it with known good RAM if you can (tricky as you'll probably be using Registered RAM with a machine that expensive).

OK nice one - I'll print this out and leave it for the poor sap who has to maintain these fucking machines. Trust me, he doesn't sleep much...

 

[pk]

Perhaps I should edit out the "poor sap" bit ... fuck it, I'll use scissors on the printout...

 

[Hocus Eye.]

Hey this is the first time I have seen a Mac v Pc debate end amicably! Well done chaps. By the way I write this on a one year old Sony Vaio that still wor








ks - yes I cheated

 

[TonkaToy]

Oh and LO and FUCKING BEHOLD!!!



You see, this is why I never, ever, ever recommend people go for the false economy of buying PC shite to use with video.

And fortunately - this company have taken my advice and invested in several Powerbooks and G5 machines - at half the cost of the shitty PC crap they were mis-sold less than three years ago.

PC's? Great for games! And surfing the net! And scriptkiddies!

Video work?
Unless you have a team of PC engineers on 24 hour stand-by - forget it.

Fucking load of wank, what the fuck is "nv4_disp.dll - Address BF9C50FA base at BF9BB000, DateStamp 3e5ac6a3" supposed to mean???

At least on the rare occasion when Macs crash it tells you the problem in plain English.

Bill Gates is a cunt.

x 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

It's not billy boys fault. Blame Nvidia. It's your Nvidia display drivers, you know, the NOT YET certified by Microsoft ones...

Update your video card drivers from Nvidia and you SHOULD be OK.

Tonks.

Edit : It's fucking obvious, looking that error message honest!

 

[pk]

It's fucking obvious, looking that error message honest!

It's not obvious to me - and the displays are NEC... so is "nv4" to do with displays (there are two, it's a twin screen split set up) or to do with the throughput of video (for which there is an independant Avid Mojo card) ???



Ah fuck it, I'm off home. Cheers though yeah?

 

[TonkaToy]

It's not obvious to me - and the displays are NEC... so is "nv4" to do with displays (there are two, it's a twin screen split set up) or to do with the throughput of video (for which there is an independant Avid Mojo card) ???



Ah fuck it, I'm off home. Cheers though yeah?

There is definatly an Nvidia graphics card or onboard chip involved in there somewhere....at the very least Nvidia gfx card drivers are installed...that's what the nv4_disp.dll is - and nvidia gfx card driver. If there is no Nvidia card, at the very least the drivers would simply stop - I couldn't see them crashing in that situation.

http://byronmiller.typepad.com/byronmiller/2005/10/stupid_windows_.html

 

[cybertect]

It's not billy boys fault. Blame Nvidia. It's your Nvidia display drivers, you know, the NOT YET certified by Microsoft ones...

Update your video card drivers from Nvidia and you SHOULD be OK.

I think that does illustrate nicely one area where Apple have an advantage over Microsoft when they're writing their OS - since they assemble it themselves they're working with a known hardware base on most computers.

With a (Windows or Linux) PC, the number of combinations of processor, logic board, video card, etc. is huge. With a Mac, especially with models like the iMac and PowerBook, Apple are in control of just about everything that goes on inside, simplifying the number of things they have to think about when testing.

Of course, there are some downsides to this. It means you can't build your own own computer from parts bought in a store and run Mac OS X on it (within the licensing terms of the OS, at least). You're also likely to miss out on newer, faster hardware until Apple have worked them into their specifications.

For the end user, there's much less likelihood that a random driver is going to cause trouble after an OS update which would normally include updates for those drivers at the same time.

I'm not going to claim it never happens. It certainly does happen from time to time, and there's a whole world of peripherals that can cause trouble, but it's less likely that one of your core components is going to make your computer fall over.

While things have opened up considerably since 1985, Steve Jobs' original vision for the Mac was a 'computing appliance' - you're buying into a top-down designed system approach. It's not a philosophy that everyone will subscribe to, but if you want things to 'just work' it means less messing about.

 

[Jelly]

I don't really care. The apple range uses a slower (2.16Ghz rather than 2.33Ghz) older (Core Duo vs Core 2 Duo) and all round inferior CPU than certain Doze based machines will. It is not the most powerful machine around (let's say you wanted to render high resolution movie files, where the better CPU comes in handy...)

It's not just about the size of the processor tho is it. It's about bus and the specific application too. You want to run adobe or avid or whatever the top-end vid editing software is these days on a pc you have have a substantially higher rated processor to keep up.

Horses for courses innit.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

It's not just about the size of the processor tho is it. It's about bus and the specific application too. You want to run adobe or avid or whatever the top-end vid editing software is these days on a pc you have have a substantially higher rated processor to keep up.

Horses for courses innit.

Eh? Don't mean to be an arse but the hardware in a macbook is going to be the same as that in a doze based machine or inferior in quite a few cases. The Bus speeds will either be equal or the merom will use a slightly faster one (not sure if they are on 200 or 266 FSB).

Hard drives are another bit, you don't have a huge choice with apple but you can get laptops with eSATA ports that let you use full speed external drives too.

 

[Jelly]

Eh? Don't mean to be an arse but the hardware in a macbook is going to be the same as that in a doze based machine or inferior in quite a few cases. The Bus speeds will either be equal or the merom will use a slightly faster one (not sure if they are on 200 or 266 FSB).

Hard drives are another bit, you don't have a huge choice with apple but you can get laptops with eSATA ports that let you use full speed external drives too.

Fairy nuff.

BUT

If you're really interested, check this bb thread out - page 3 gets interesting when some G5 dual owners post results.

http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/hardware/8440-photoshop-speed-test-3.html

 

[Bob_the_lost]

That's what happens when you take dual CPU systems and pit them against single CPU systems in photoshop. Now if there was an opteron rig in there it'd make the G5s cry for mercy. (THen again opteron postdates that test so it's a rather silly thing to say )

 

[cybertect]

It does seem to do surprisingly well in benchmarks against a Quad Opteron too.

 

[Kanda]

It's not obvious to me - and the displays are NEC... so is "nv4" to do with displays (there are two, it's a twin screen split set up) or to do with the throughput of video (for which there is an independant Avid Mojo card) ???



Ah fuck it, I'm off home. Cheers though yeah?

you seem a bit confused here...

Monitors = NEC
Graphics Card = Nvidia
Digital/Analogue i/o = Avid

NV4 is your video card, that drives the display on your two NEC monitors. Go and update your drivers to WHQL ones.

 

[Jelly]

That's what happens when you take dual CPU systems and pit them against single CPU systems in photoshop. Now if there was an opteron rig in there it'd make the G5s cry for mercy. (THen again opteron postdates that test so it's a rather silly thing to say )

Re your comment on dual systems. Check the last page of that thread, post 10-07-2006, 11:32, from a Core 2 duo owner. Also bear in mind it's running ps under rosetta emulation so it's not even a native version.

Submit yet ?

 

[editor]

It does seem to do surprisingly well in benchmarks against a Quad Opteron too.

I think it's time to repost a bit from my ten year old article on urban:

P C R O O O L Z ! ! !

From alt.religion to alt.sex.bestiality to alt.flowers.pressing you can guarantee there is one thread that will rear its head with monotonous regularity and turn any peaceful forum into all-out conflict. This is the thread that seems blessed with the twin powers of indestructibility and immortality.

Yes, meet the omnipotent, 'My Computer is Better That Yours' thread. This monumental thread cascades perpetually around the system, dredging up a flotilla of ancient facts, miserable in-depth diagnoses and computer performance comparisons of infinitesimally small interest in its wake.

Despite there not being a single piece of information in the thread that hasn't been discussed elsewhere ad nauseum, this bloated monster of an argument soon dominates the newsgroup, destroying friendships and relationships before quietly slipping off to haunt another newsgroup, its devilish work done...

I know it's pathetic, but it's just one of those things that you find yourself being drawn into, no matter how hard you try to resist. I mean, the last thing you need after sinking several thousand pounds into your shiny new system is to have some smart arse from across the pond telling you that you've just bought a bag o' shite.
http://www.urban75.com/Mag/internet.html

 

[cybertect]

[runs off to the Music forum to start a "Blur vs Oasis" thread... ]

 

[Jelly]

I think it's time to repost a bit from my ten year old article on urban:

I know it's pathetic, but it's just one of those things that you find yourself being drawn into, no matter how hard you try to resist.

soooo true!

I try so hard not to go there

 

[jæd]

[runs off to the Music forum to start a "Blur vs Oasis" thread... ]

What about a debate over which is better... A Treo or a Windows Pocket PC...?

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Re your comment on dual systems. Check the last page of that thread, post 10-07-2006, 11:32, from a Core 2 duo owner. Also bear in mind it's running ps under rosetta emulation so it's not even a native version.

Submit yet ?

You want to debate the difference between dual core and dual CPU?

Dual core is a refinement of Dual CPU. First there was two computers, then two CPUs on one motherboard, then two cores in one socket, then two cores on one die...

All it shows is that C2D chips spank the old Dual G5s, which isn't really news is it

 

[cybertect]

How about a Treo with Pocket PC?

 

[Jelly]

You want to debate the difference between dual core and dual CPU?

Dual core is a refinement of Dual CPU. First there was two computers, then two CPUs on one motherboard, then two cores in one socket, then two cores on one die...

All it shows is that C2D chips spank the old Dual G5s, which isn't really news is it

cheeky!

It's a single chip package.

How big's your cock ?