Appealing against Bus Lane Fine?

[editor]

i've been mugged twice on buses, and a lot of them ARE full of scallies. thats just a fact.

are you saying that the council arn't cunts?

You've got to be a troll.

Or, as another poster suggested, 'thick as a fucking brick.'

 

[detective-boy]

the box junction thing is all done with cameras rather than humans making rational decisions. always appeal these, then someone has a look and decides if you were committing an offence or just driving normally.

Are you sure?

The offence is such that a human MUST make the decision - the circumstances are so flexible a camera could never be able to. In councils I am aware of they use CCTV cameras with operators observing in real-time, just like if they were standing at the side of the road, noting index marks of offending vehicles and commencing the process, with the CCTV footage as the back-up evidence.

 

[pembrokestephen]

You've got to be a troll.

Or, as another poster suggested, 'thick as a fucking brick.'

Nah, it's worse than that: I think he's creatively, and wilfully, ignorant, and just doesn't want to see anything beyond the end of his self-interested nose.

 

[detective-boy]

... beyond the end of his self-interested nose.

Bonnet ... shurely???!!?!?

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

IMO we should Ban Cars in cities, but in teh short term if they come into bus lanes, confiscate and crush them and take away the offenders driving license, permanantly. No appeals no second chance. Parking fines should be abolished and replaced by just crushing the cars.

If you were running for Mayor, you'd get my vote. Crush the bastards. At least then the motorists couldn't claim that is was all simply a money making ruse eh?

 

[johnnymarrsbars]

as i have said NUMEROUS times, if there was a reliable, safe and pleasant public transport infrastructure and system in place then i'd use it. until then i have no other realistic option but to drive.

anyone in manchester will know about the north manchester Metrolink disaster. they were planning to extend the tram along Oldham Road (which is where i live). Brilliant, i thought, it was just what that route needed, competition and an alternative to the frankly shambolic shameless ripoff that is First Buses/Stagecoach (the two operators along that road). they built a massive huge 'transport interchange', made a massive song and dance about it then realised they'd run out of money to build the actual tram lines. as i type, just down the road there's a huge tram station waiting empty with no tracks going down it. WHERE has that money gone?

excuse me if i'm just a little bit fucked off with the council and have absolutely zero faith in their willingness and competence to spend public money wisely.

with regard to congestion charges, i think its a great idea IF there is an effective public transport system for people to use as an alternative to private transport. its worked so well in london because london has a cheap, clean and reliable bus and train system. manchester doesn't.

 

[editor]

as i have said NUMEROUS times, if there was a reliable, safe and pleasant public transport infrastructure and system in place then i'd use it. until then i have no other realistic option but to drive.

And fuck those who don't have the luxury of a car because you'll be happy contributing to the road congestion, yes?

All this "no other realistic option" cop out excuse makes you wonder how people got around big cities for the last fifty years or so, no?

 

[roryer]

I think your approach is a bit draconian, though! It's important, with any of these schemes, to make sure there's a carrot AND a stick

The fact that cars are so clearly inappropriate to mass transit in cities is clear, LA is a shining example that road building on a massive scale does not reduce congestion.

The waste of resources on cars is just incredible, imagine what people in looking back on this period 50 years from now will think... we have wasted reserves of oil that could have lasted us 1000 years on traffic jams, we move more slowly in cities now than at the turn of the 20th century, and have destroyed the ability of the planet to support half of the population in the process through the rapid release of CO2 causing climate change.

We need dramatic action, sugar coated pills won't be enough to deal with this one. Unfortunately this appears to be a case where democracy doesn't work, giving up a car only helps others, as you still suffer from traffic jams and the few instances when they build bus or bike lanes the majority of car drivers complain that they are wasting space that could be used for more traffic jams.

The problem is there are more morons in cars than enlightened folk on bikes and buses, thus the government is scared to take significant action.

 

[roryer]

as i have said NUMEROUS times, if there was a reliable, safe and pleasant public transport infrastructure and system in place then i'd use it. until then i have no other realistic option but to drive.

Are you disabled? or very old?

Get a bike, Manchester is small enough to cycle from one side to the other, easily and quickly.

The overland train system links up with most other places. And it is safe enough, I cycle there quite a lot.

 

[johnnymarrsbars]

Are you disabled? or very old?

Get a bike, Manchester is small enough to cycle from one side to the other, easily and quickly.

The overland train system links up with most other places. And it is safe enough, I cycle there quite a lot.

while carrying an A2 portfolio every day? if you read my post above, i use to ride a scooter, it was perfect, but its not feasible now because ive got bulky stuff to carry.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Is it best to pay then appeal, or appeal and refuse payment?

I'm 99% sure that I drove in a bus lane after 7 but it says 6.50 on the fine, does anyone know what clock the camera's are calibrated too?

I worked for quite a while in a council parking control department. We cocked up tickets on practically every issue you could dream of. The only exception to this was the time - all the cameras are calibrated to a satellite clock automatically and are accurate a tiny fraction of a second. If they've got 6.50 on the picture they've sent you then you've got no chance of appealing on those grounds IMO.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I'd bet an awful lot of money there are as they wouldn't get very far without them ...

So if you haven't seen them, clearly you have been driving without due care and attention.

or he's lying through his teeth like usual....


why can't thye just standardise the dam things to 7 to 7 there can be no justification for 24 hour bus lanes anywhere in London and i'd say little justification for 7am to 10pm ones either...

At least then it'd negate the whole feeling that you are constantly beign enduced to be tripped up... the A13 is a classic case in point it's at the start 7 to 10 am and 4 to 7 pm then 7 til 7 then 7 to 10 pm all with in around 6 miles so in effect you can be ok then not ok having done nothign more than progressed a few miles...

It's utterly shit and deliberately misleading...

 

[editor]

while carrying an A2 portfolio every day? if you read my post above, i use to ride a scooter, it was perfect, but its not feasible now because ive got bulky stuff to carry.

Why not get an A2 portfolio tube?

I had no problem cycling to art school with one of them.

 

[chymaera]

or he's lying through his teeth like usual....


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There really is NO need to make a personal remark like that. What the hell is wrong with my posting here:-
Originally Posted by chymaera
Purely out of interest, is there a specified time when you can an cannot use a bus lane or are they subject to local bye-laws.
(The one's in Plymouth appear to be 24 hour no-go areas. I have not noticed anything specifying times)

I have driven through Plymouth at most times of the day and night and never seen anything other than a bus or a taxi in the bus lanes. I did not state there were not any signs giving at time the bus lanes operate, just that I had not seen any and therefore I assume they operate 24 hours a day.

 

[Bodmass]

24 hours unless signs otherwise.

AFAIK (but far from 100% sure) camera enforcement of stuff like yellow boxes and bus lanes is only in London.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

24 hours unless signs otherwise.

AFAIK (but far from 100% sure) camera enforcement of stuff like yellow boxes and bus lanes is only in London.

I'm pretty sure bus lanes are enforced in other places. No idea about moving offences.