Anyone recognise these pathetic little thugs?

[Blagsta]

+1 the fact these boys may not have got enough cuddles as kids doesn't mean they didn't know it was wrong to abuse people and then try to kick them to death.

BTW those CCTV pictures are good, much better than the normal stuff you see.

Interestingly, there is evidence to show that lack of love and consistent boundaries in childhood may lead to violent behaviour later on. Funny old world eh.

 

[Blagsta]

Good pics, hopefully the vicious fuckers will get nicked straight away.

Agreed.

 

[scott_forester]

Interestingly, there is evidence to show that lack of love and consistent boundaries in childhood may lead to violent behaviour later on. Funny old world eh.

Does it also show that they don't know it's wrong to kick man until he passes out?

A minority of people who commit violent acts may not know it's wrong due to some underlying psychology issue, but most do but do it none the less and they are rightly called scum.

 

[Roadkill]

<I wonder how long it will be before the criminal excusers will be along on this thread with their 'its not their fault its society' bollocks.

Explaining something and excusing it aren't the same thing.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Explaining something and excusing it aren't the same thing.

I agree with you there. In many cases such as when people thieve to fund addictions there is a cause and effect but in cases like this one there isn't an external factor such as addiction or poverty it is just selfish people being violent for the sake of it.

I saw too many people where I grew up who had good homes and good families being violent because they could get away with it and becuase they got a buzz out of it. Its partly why I'm wary of explanations that slur into partial excuses for such behaviour. On many occasions I've seen crims being contrite when they can gain something from a magistrate or a judge but cocky as fuck afterwards. Also a long period working in courts seeing the worst of human behaviour tends to make you more distrusting of academic approaches to criminal behaviour.

 

[poster342002]

Religion's doing you a world of good eh?

What would you describe this group of violent arseholes, then?

 

[citydreams]

What would you describe this group of violent arseholes, then?

Deranged.

 

[Blagsta]

Does it also show that they don't know it's wrong to kick man until he passes out?

A minority of people who commit violent acts may not know it's wrong due to some underlying psychology issue, but most do but do it none the less and they are rightly called scum.

*woosh*

 

[Blagsta]

I agree with you there. In many cases such as when people thieve to fund addictions there is a cause and effect but in cases like this one there isn't an external factor such as addiction or poverty it is just selfish people being violent for the sake of it.

I saw too many people where I grew up who had good homes and good families being violent because they could get away with it and becuase they got a buzz out of it. Its partly why I'm wary of explanations that slur into partial excuses for such behaviour. On many occasions I've seen crims being contrite when they can gain something from a magistrate or a judge but cocky as fuck afterwards. Also a long period working in courts seeing the worst of human behaviour tends to make you more distrusting of academic approaches to criminal behaviour.

It's funny how you chop and change your opinions from day to day! You were agreeing with me the other day about childhood experiences and violence!

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Deranged.

Deranged violent scum.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

It's funny how you chop and change your opinions from day to day!

Not so much chopping and changing opinions but being aware that each situation is different.

This situation is an unprovoked attack not an argument that got out of hand.

At least my sympathies are with the victim on this one.

 

[citydreams]

Deranged violent scum.

gives up

 

[Idaho]

What's poverty got to do with it?

What's love got to do with it?

 

[Prince Rhyus]

Are your kids out of control because they live in a society that is violent, unstable and is drowning in its own moral cesspit?

No!

It's because they're scum!

You know the number.

Call now.

http://www.itv.com/Lifestyle/jeremykyle/beaguest/default.html
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JqUAHrZPQTU&feature=related

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I would say it IS societies fault. Even if you forget about poverty, poor parenting, poor schooling you still have the fact that society fails to provide an adequate deterrent for violent crimes.

I'm sure the possibility of couple of years hard labor would have made them think twice.

wonders what the fuck would classifiy as society after removeing poverty parenting schooling ... and how exactly the poster is removed from it..

 

[maes]

Disgusting. Should be locked away for a LONG time IMO.




<I wonder how long it will be before the criminal excusers will be along on this thread with their 'its not their fault its society' bollocks.

Were you always so right wing or is it a Boris thing? Have I only just noticed?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Were you always so right wing or is it a Boris thing? Have I only just noticed?

always..

 

[maes]

I should pay more attention...

 

[KeyboardJockey]

always..

No I'm right wing on some things and very much on the left on others.

Some crime is atributable to poverty and addiction but much is not and is down to the personal choices of the perpetrator. I believe we should be aware of what led to the behaviour but it shouldn't unless there is an exceptional circumstance be used as an excuse for soft sentences for those who commit crimes such as this.

I have moved away from a lot of the dogma that I ascribed to earlier in life. I was one of those who believed that there was a societal cause for crime. Experience later has taught me otherwise.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

No I'm right wing on some things and very much on the left on others.<snip bollocks />

no you are not.

If it's salve to your conscience then ok then your left wing on some things ok...

would you need a pat on the head to do with that delusion too...

you are quintessentially nu tory....

and right wing and always have been, you claim to have experinced left wing dogma and poltics yet cannot find anything postitive ever to say about the whole experince which shows that you weren't going in a naive green horned buck but with a set of preconditioned expectations which when these were confirmed or denied in equal meansure left you feeling disnefrancised with the whole experince leaving you to feel that you have shifted your ideals or moved to the right...

it is a delusion though, you were and still are right wing...

and that hasn't changed.

Ever.

 

[citydreams]

Some crime is atributable to poverty and addiction but much is not and is down to the personal choices of the perpetrator. I believe we should be aware of what led to the behaviour but it shouldn't unless there is an exceptional circumstance be used as an excuse for soft sentences for those who commit crimes such as this.

So, before knowing the full facts you have already determined sentencing.

Judge KBJ is in de house, all rise to vitriol and vengence.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

no you are not.

If it's salve to your conscience then ok then your left wing on some things ok...

would you need a pat on the head to do with that delusion too...

you are quintessentially nu tory....

and right wing and always have been, you claim to have experinced left wing dogma and poltics yet cannot find anything postitive ever to say about the whole experince which shows that you weren't going in a naive green horned buck but with a set of preconditioned expectations which when these were confirmed or denied in equal meansure left you feeling disnefrancised with the whole experince leaving you to feel that you have shifted your ideals or moved to the right...

it is a delusion though, you were and still are right wing...

and that hasn't changed.

Ever.

No I've been on the left. Have spoken from a left perspective. It was only when I saw how the left has failed that I abandoned left dogma.

I had some very positive experiences with left politics but its a dead end and Marxist dogma fails to take into account human nature. You can have the fairest society in the world but there will still be those who want to abuse and control others, take more than their fair share, not contribute to society or wish to get a buzz from violence.

It was an inability to accept that humans are complex beings that helped me to part company with the dogmatic left.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

So, before knowing the full facts you have already determined sentencing.

Judge KBJ is in de house, all rise to vitriol and vengence.

I believe that vengance / retribution should be part of a justice system but it shouldn't be the whole story. You must leave room for rehabilitation and punishment but it is wrong to ignore societies just desire for vengance on a wrongdoer.

'Defend the children of the poor and punish the wrongdoer' is what is over the main door of the Old Bailey and is a pretty fair statement in my opinion.

 

[Blagsta]

Not so much chopping and changing opinions but being aware that each situation is different.

This situation is an unprovoked attack not an argument that got out of hand.

At least my sympathies are with the victim on this one.

inconsistent

 

[Blagsta]

No I'm right wing on some things and very much on the left on others.

Some crime is atributable to poverty and addiction but much is not and is down to the personal choices of the perpetrator. I believe we should be aware of what led to the behaviour but it shouldn't unless there is an exceptional circumstance be used as an excuse for soft sentences for those who commit crimes such as this.

I have moved away from a lot of the dogma that I ascribed to earlier in life. I was one of those who believed that there was a societal cause for crime. Experience later has taught me otherwise.

*woosh*

 

[Andy the Don]

Seeing as one of these toerags is wearing a bit of Stone Island & the rest look like they are dress in designer clothing. I do not think that you can attribute poverty as a cause for their actions. I am still going for the pissed up wankers option.

 

[Blagsta]

Seeing as one of these toerags is wearing a bit of Stone Island & the rest look like they are dress in designer clothing. I do not think that you can attribute poverty as a cause for their actions. I am still going for the pissed up wankers option.

What's poverty got to do with it?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Seeing as one of these toerags is wearing a bit of Stone Island & the rest look like they are dress in designer clothing. I do not think that you can attribute poverty as a cause for their actions. I am still going for the pissed up wankers option.

Pissed up wankers option here as well.

 

[tarannau]

I believe that vengance / retribution should be part of a justice system but it shouldn't be the whole story. You must leave room for rehabilitation and punishment but it is wrong to ignore societies just desire for vengance on a wrongdoer.

Yes, let's round up a mob and burn the paedatrican.

Sharia law, cut their hands off etc etc.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Yes, let's round up a mob and burn the paedatrican.

Sharia law, cut their hands off etc etc.

I never mentioned either of those options. It is dishonest of you to try to conflate my views with those who do hold such views.

I want to see meaningful prison sentences and community punishments not limb chopping and peadiatrician burning.