Antifacist Protest at Dorchester Hotel- 17 Feb

[Streathamite]

why am I not surprised?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

why am I not surprised?

I'm saddened as well as not surprised. I never thought I'd agree with anything the bnp say but when a bnp member in Dagenham referred to the UAF as 'that rabble' I couldn't but silently agree with him.

UAF / Respect are the best recruiting sergants the bnp could wish for.

 

[audiotech]

I'm saddened as well as not surprised. I never thought I'd agree with anything the bnp say but when a bnp member in Dagenham referred to the UAF as 'that rabble' I couldn't but silently agree with him.

BNP MEMBER REFERS TO THE LEFT AS: 'THAT RABBLE' SHOCK!

KeyboardJockey is said to 'silently agree'.

Last Thursday on............

 

[KeyboardJockey]

BNP MEMBER REFERS TO THE LEFT AS: 'THAT RABBLE' SHOCK!

KeyboardJockey is said to 'silently agree'.

Last Thursday on............

Sorry but when the left behave in such crass stupid ways that alienate the locals and make the bnp cretins look good then how could I disagree that UAF wankers are a rabble.

 

[Streathamite]

BNP MEMBER REFERS TO THE LEFT AS: 'THAT RABBLE' SHOCK!

KeyboardJockey is said to 'silently agree'.

Last Thursday on............

swappie provides further evidence of having brain 100% powered by CC, configured solely to spew propaganda, and incapable of independent thought.
on the rare occasions when even the BNP say something correct, one generally agrees, if one is honest.
as one does on the equally rare ones when the SWP do.
a stopped clock etc..

 

[audiotech]

swappie provides further evidence of having brain 100% powered by CC, configured solely to spew propaganda, and incapable of independent thought.
on the rare occasions when even the BNP say something correct, one generally agrees, if one is honest.
as one does on the equally rare ones when the SWP do.
a stopped clock etc..

I'm not a member of the SWP, so do one snooty.

 

[Streathamite]

I'm not a member of the SWP, so do one snooty.

well given how far your tongue's inserted up their passage (and WESPECK's, and all the sundry frontjobs) that makes it even worse!
how did they manage to program you without you even joining?

 

[audiotech]

Sorry but when the left behave in such crass stupid ways that alienate the locals and make the bnp cretins look good then how could I disagree that UAF wankers are a rabble.

The point was to humiliate them in the area where they have a significant presence. The point was made when around 500 people from trade unions, the student movement, black community organisations and the anti-racist and anti-fascist movement attended a rally there. They were also there to give support to the local group.

 

[Streathamite]

who said owt wrong with THAT sort of protest or picket, PROVIDED when it's led by the local w/c community and UAF do what the locals tell them to do. THAT'S community activism - fo real.
however, UAF, like their swappie overlords, usually do the opposite. in come m/c stude types who don't know the manor, haranguing and lecturing.
they have ZERO roots in bluecollar TUs in east London, for a fact.

 

[audiotech]

who said owt wrong with THAT sort of protest or picket, PROVIDED when it's led by the local w/c community and UAF do what the locals tell them to do. THAT'S community activism - fo real.
however, UAF, like their swappie overlords, usually do the opposite. in come m/c stude types who don't know the manor, haranguing and lecturing.
they have ZERO roots in bluecollar TUs in east London, for a fact.

How would you know it was "a fact" living on your estate in Hertfordshire?

I seem to recall a previous "SWP front" having a bluecollar worker at Ford Dagenham as a candidate in east London?

Not East London I know, but Rolls Royce’s Bristol plant recently saw a SWP bluecollar worker sacked for his activity after listening to his workmates.

 

[JimPage]

]All it takes is for the BNP to send one of their more 'respectable' reasonable-sounding types to give his pitch to a working-class bloke who's felt the sharp end of our immigration policies,[/I] QUOTE]

There is no sharp end to immigration policies- working class people- of which you are not one- welcome, not reject, immigration

 

[In Bloom]

There is no sharp end to immigration policies- working class people- of which you are not one- welcome, not reject, immigration

Meanwhile, in the real world, things are a wee bit more complex than that.

Immigrants are used by bosses to attack the working class, because they are denied the same protections the "we" are, they can be used to undercut pay and conditions. That's not to say that immigration is a bad thing in itself, but it does leave the poorest sections of the working class fucked over by existing immigration policies.

 

[mk12]

]All it takes is for the BNP to send one of their more 'respectable' reasonable-sounding types to give his pitch to a working-class bloke who's felt the sharp end of our immigration policies,[/I] QUOTE]

There is no sharp end to immigration policies- working class people- of which you are not one- welcome, not reject, immigration

Which one of these statements comes closest to your own views on laws about immigration to Britain?

Laws on immigration should be abolished, so any one can come and live in Britain 2%
Laws on immigration should be relaxed 4 %
Laws on immigration should remain as they are 12 %
Laws on immigration should be much tougher 67 %
Immigration should be stopped altogether 13 %
Don't know

From Mori in 2003.

And in 2006...

Q5 Which one of these statements comes closest to your views on laws about immigration in Britain?

Laws on immigration should be abolished, so any one can come and live in Britain 1%
Laws on immigration should be relaxed 5%
Laws on immigration should remain as they are 17%
Laws on immigration should be much tougher 63%
Immigration should be stopped altogether 12%
Don't know 2%

As In Bloom says, it's like you're living in another world.

 

[durruti02]

There is no sharp end to immigration policies- working class people- of which you are not one- welcome, not reject, immigration

you are so out of touch so really fucking out of touch

 

[durruti02]

From Mori in 2003.

And in 2006...



As In Bloom says, it's like you're living in another world.

but MK12 surely the reduction in the 67% who wanted harder controls to 63% is down to the campaigning of respect and UAF!!!

 

[JimPage]

you are so out of touch so really fucking out of touch [/QUOTE]

i have said before- look to scotland as what could be acheived as regards to public perceptions of asylum and immigration. scottish people on the whole are outraged that we are being denied the benefots of immigration and asylum seekers here- due to our under- population. we will also deal with any fascist manifestations up here in the tradiditional manner

 

[In Bloom]

Jim, is there any particular reason you keep fucking up quotes by putting itallic tags in mad places? It's really distracting.

i have said before- look to scotland as what could be acheived as regards to public perceptions of asylum and immigration. scottish people on the whole are outraged that we are being denied the benefots of immigration and asylum seekers here- due to our under- population. we will also deal with any fascist manifestations up here in the tradiditional manner

I don't know much about Scotland, but if you think that working class people benefit from the current immigration set up, you're living in a fantasy land.

Any chance of some statistics to back up your sweeping statements about attitudes toward immigration in Scotland?

 

[Streathamite]

How would you know it was "a fact" living on your estate in Hertfordshire?

I seem to recall a previous "SWP front" having a bluecollar worker at Ford Dagenham as a candidate in east London?

Not East London I know, but Rolls Royce’s Bristol plant recently saw a SWP bluecollar worker sacked for his activity after listening to his workmates.

wow! TWO whole working class people in WESPECK! that makes all the difference!
and I live IN an estate - i.e. of the council type - in streatham.
better luck next time, eh?

 

[Streathamite]

All it takes is for the BNP to send one of their more 'respectable' reasonable-sounding types to give his pitch to a working-class bloke who's felt the sharp end of our immigration policies

There is no sharp end to immigration policies- working class people- of which you are not one- welcome, not reject, immigration

oh really. so you know more about me than myself? you're living in lalaland you braindead fucking idiot
e2a; O jim, I'm gonna give you a chance to prove thias.
how about putting up ONE poll to show that 'working class people welcome immigration'?
go on, just one.
bet yer can't.
then perhaps we'll give up this pathetic schoolboy delusional posturing

 

[Streathamite]

btw, thank'ee to MC5 and jimpage for confirming - rather gloriously - a pet theory of mine;
it's always yer stoodent lefties with the biggest hang-ups over non-humble roots who feel the need most strongly to play more-prolier-than-thou.
believe me, I wish I hadn't grown up in near-poverty

 

[treelover]

Arf, your having a laugh ,its the gangmasters, the middle classes and the CBI who are really benefiting.

have said before- look to scotland as what could be acheived as regards to public perceptions of asylum and immigration. scottish people on the whole are outraged that we are being denied the benefots of immigration and asylum seekers here- due to our under- population.

 

[audiotech]

btw, thank'ee to MC5 and jimpage for confirming - rather gloriously - a pet theory of mine;
it's always yer stoodent lefties with the biggest hang-ups over non-humble roots who feel the need most strongly to play more-prolier-than-thou.
believe me, I wish I hadn't grown up in near-poverty

You haven't grown up full stop.

 

[Streathamite]

You haven't grown up full stop.

ahhh right...so you're the one who's been caned on the facts of the debate, exposed along with jimpage of not having a clue about the issue or how it plays in practice, you were the one who resorted to the 100% juvenile name-calling and game of prolier-than-thou.....and it's me who hasn't grown up?
you don't actually realise how stupid you and him look on this thread, do you?

 

[Streathamite]

so er jim, how's that poll or other hard evidence coming along? y'know, the one that shows that a majority of working-class people are pro-immigration?

 

[audiotech]

ahhh right...so you're the one who's been caned on the facts of the debate, exposed along with jimpage of not having a clue about the issue or how it plays in practice, you were the one who resorted to the 100% juvenile name-calling and game of prolier-than-thou.....and it's me who hasn't grown up?
you don't actually realise how stupid you and him look on this thread, do you?

You haven't posted any facts, so I fail to see how you've "caned" me with something that doesn't exist?

You were the one coming out with the poor victim nonsense and then it turns out you went to a private school and lived in the home counties.

"Stupid"? Me? Despite your privileged education you come across as rather thick an' all.

 

[Streathamite]

You haven't posted any facts, so I fail to see how you've "caned" me with something that doesn't exist?

You were the one coming out with the poor victim nonsense and then it turns out you went to a private school and lived in the home counties.

"Stupid"? Me? Despite your privileged education you come across as rather thick an' all.

if you REALLY wanna believe that - but you'd be the only one. noticed how no-one here has agreed with you and page the idiot? how your ENTIRE argument has been caned, not just by me butby many others?
frankly, i think you're delusional to the point of mental health issues
and aseeing as your ignorance is evidently total, let me fill in 2 gaps in your cavernous void of 'knowledge';
1) public schools were called that cos they were originally set up to educate the poor - hence their traditions of poor brat scholarships like mine.
as you'd know if weren't an ignoramus
2) there are working class areas in the home counties - that's what the whole new towns project is about - resettlement of London w/c.
as you'd know if you knew f-all.
which, clearly you don't, you utter imbecile
I'l;l just leave you to the job of unwittingly being the best mate gthe BNP ever had

 

[audiotech]

if you REALLY wanna believe that - but you'd be the only one. noticed how no-one here has agreed with you and page the idiot? how your ENTIRE argument has been caned, not just by me butby many others?
frankly, i think you're delusional to the point of mental health issues
and aseeing as your ignorance is evidently total, let me fill in 2 gaps in your cavernous void of 'knowledge';
1) public schools were called that cos they were originally set up to educate the poor - hence their traditions of poor brat scholarships like mine.
as you'd know if weren't an ignoramus
2) there are working class areas in the home counties - that's what the whole new towns project is about - resettlement of London w/c.
as you'd know if you knew f-all.
which, clearly you don't, you utter imbecile
I'l;l just leave you to the job of unwittingly being the best mate gthe BNP ever had

Scraping the bottom of the barrel there with the "mental health" jibe. More "facts" that I'm not aware of is it?

Know "f-all", "Ignoramus", "imbecile"? You're right, my educational opportunities have been pretty poor compared to yours.

 

[In Bloom]

So do you and JimPage have any evidence for these rather strong claims then?

There is no sharp end to immigration policies, working class people[...]welcome, not reject, immigration

scottish people on the whole are outraged that we are being denied the benefots of immigration and asylum seekers here

Just curious, because all you seem to be doing is call Jezza names.

 

[audiotech]

So do you and JimPage have any evidence for these rather strong claims then?


Just curious, because all you seem to be doing is call Jezza names.

Jezza deserves all he gets.

From a family of immigrants myself, I can say that our collective experience is one that witnessed both hostility and an overwhelming welcome into working class communities.

Now that we have an increasing globalised economy, with millions of people everyday crossing borders to work, rest and play, it would seem sensible to deduce that since my families first steps on this island, that migration to and from the UK would become a more accepted choice in life and therefore welcomed. No hard evidence I'm afraid, but I think you'll find that is what's happening.

 

[In Bloom]

From a family of immigrants myself, I can say that our collective experience is one that witnessed both hostility and an overwhelming welcome into working class communities.

Now that we have an increasing globalised economy, with millions of people everyday crossing borders to work, rest and play, it would seem sensible to deduce that since my families first steps on this island, that migration to and from the UK would become a more accepted choice in life and therefore welcomed. No hard evidence I'm afraid, but I think you'll find that is what's happening.

So what you're saying is that you have absolutely fuck all evidence to back up your position?

What do you think of the poll results mk12 posted up earlier?