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JHE said:
Are you not very interested in the story about the arson?

If the people burned out of their homes had been of some approved 'oppressed' group, it would matter. What's the problem with the victims in this case? Are they English or something?
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There is no arson. It's all bollox. Most of South East Wales is populated by English people the locals have all had to move up to the valleys as that's the only place that they can afford to live.
 
brianx said:
There is no arson. It's all bollox. Most of South East Wales is populated by English people the locals have all had to move up to the valleys as that's the only place that they can afford to live.
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By South East Wales I mean the bit between Newport & Cardiff the only place any sensible person would want to live.:)
Anyway the torching practice is going to be more popular soon in places like Cornwall and large areas of Spain and France where the locals are being priced out of the towns that they were born.
 
Trufflepig said:
I'm not sure logically why, but I feel it is different. The notion of Welshness is a strange one, I reckon culturally and politically Swansea has more in common with Bristol than it does with say Merthyr. Merthyr probably being closer to a former mining town in Yorkshire. The divisions are more along class and economic lines than race. Not to mention the North / South rivalry that goes on.

There will always be bigots, and they should be called up on it. But to do this on a personal level, rather than passing that responsibility to an organisation is my thought. Better to tackle the bigots head on and lead by example, rather than to pay lip service by publishing a company racism policy which everybody signs but does not engage with.

It does remind me a bit of playground politics, better to smack the bully in the chops than to keep running to teacher.
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Then you are wrong.
being welsh is as racially defined as being irish, scottish, pakistani, french etc
You also clearly have no idea about wales and its identity.Im amazed you claim to be welsh I balk at the notion that I have mroe in common with a bristolian racially than someone from merthyr( and I am from swansea BTW) very nice people but no, not having a race and culture in common IMO

Its disgusting that some misguided occupation/givernmental policy 'uniting' rubbish basically is used as some form of exuse for racist such as yourself to say" get yourself a backbone" to someone being abused BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE
Thats Racism... simple as.
If you cannot change what you are and you are being abused and prejudiced because of what you are( your place of origin, your country of birth) rather than individual characterics then thats racism, its wrong and its actually illegal, no matter what you claim.
If a welsh person decided to report this as a racially motivated incident they would be well within their rights both in law and morally
I see no reason why someone who hears vile comments about any race cannot say "actually this is bang out of order, its a workplace not some sort of gathering of the racially prejudiced"

Would it be ok with you to tell someone who was gay to get a backbone if colleguages were saying they were a shirtlifting battyboy and shouldnt be trusted in case they gave them aids?? and not to have someone who was striaght challenge that if they found it offensive. If its happening in a workplace then there should be employers involevemnt, Its a workplace FGS
 
_angel_ said:
Tbh a lot of what you said about the Welsh v English (and it is a fair point) we could say about the rich English v poor English or even the North South divide. (Especially after Thatchers policies)

ETA Everything you said about the housing predicament in Wales could have been said about commuter towns and villages up and down England but especially ones in the South East.
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Well yes I have heard it said the Cornish and them h'up north feel the same, but I can't speak for them, not my place.
 
LilMissHissyFit said:
Then you are wrong.
being welsh is as racially defined as being irish, scottish, pakistani, french etc
You also clearly have no idea about wales and its identity.Im amazed you claim to be welsh I balk at the notion that I have mroe in common with a bristolian racially than someone from merthyr( and I am from swansea BTW) very nice people but no, not having a race and culture in common IMO

Its disgusting that some misguided occupation/givernmental policy 'uniting' rubbish basically is used as some form of exuse for racist such as yourself to say" get yourself a backbone" to someone being abused BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE
Thats Racism... simple as.
If you cannot change what you are and you are being abused and prejudiced because of what you are( your place of origin, your country of birth) rather than individual characterics then thats racism, its wrong and its actually illegal, no matter what you claim.
If a welsh person decided to report this as a racially motivated incident they would be well within their rights both in law and morally
I see no reason why someone who hears vile comments about any race cannot say "actually this is bang out of order, its a workplace not some sort of gathering of the racially prejudiced"

Would it be ok with you to tell someone who was gay to get a backbone if colleguages were saying they were a shirtlifting battyboy and shouldnt be trusted in case they gave them aids?? and not to have someone who was striaght challenge that if they found it offensive. If its happening in a workplace then there should be employers involevemnt, Its a workplace FGS
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Wow, just goes to show not even two Swansea Jacks form a unified front ;) I think you may have missed my point. Which was yes, you must tackle these people, as you say call them on it by saying growing a backbone and saying "actually this is bang out of order, its a workplace not some sort of gathering of the racially prejudiced". Just have the balls to say it, rather than have some anti-racist policy and fell you've done your bit just by signing a piece of paper to say so.
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Trufflepig said:
Which was yes, you must tackle these people, as you say call them on it by saying growing a backbone and saying "actually this is bang out of order, its a workplace not some sort of gathering of the racially prejudiced". Just have the balls to say it, rather than have some anti-racist policy and fell you've done your bit just by signing a piece of paper to say so.
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Tbf that's what I did. I was actually wondering what others would do as I expect to hear similar again. You seem to think that telling people that it's out of order will make them desist. You can't have met many racists! Incidently, the older bloke regularly refers to others as 'half caste' despite being politely told at least twice that some people find it offensive.
 
what i find amazing is the north / south divide in Wales.

As in any country there is a small percentage of nationals, who will protect what they see as there own. There are also a lot of large families, who wont be bullied. In my experience, treat everyone as equal and you wont have any problems, bad talk / gossip / harm them and they will get you back!

Its basic common sense!

I love the welsh, and have loved living in the middle of no where.. Welsh people or english?... Welsh 99% percent of the time, they still know community and how to look out for each other out here!
:)
 
brianx said:
There is no arson. It's all bollox. Most of South East Wales is populated by English people the locals have all had to move up to the valleys as that's the only place that they can afford to live.
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The South East has been heavily anglisized for ages so no not much (if anything) has happened there.

No most of the fires and protests have been in Mid / North / West wales.
Can't believe you think its all bollocks though. Have you never heard of Meibion Glyndwr being mentioned on the welsh news? The group well known for these kinds of attacks.

You can read more here (written by someone from Swansea Law School):

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-15295934.html
 
Trufflepig said:
Wow, just goes to show not even two Swansea Jacks form a unified front ;) I think you may have missed my point. Which was yes, you must tackle these people, as you say call them on it by saying growing a backbone and saying "actually this is bang out of order, its a workplace not some sort of gathering of the racially prejudiced". Just have the balls to say it, rather than have some anti-racist policy and fell you've done your bit just by signing a piece of paper to say so.
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so why not do both? why not say You are so far out of order its unture... in terms of "This isnt me, being pissed with you, this is not on... at all, ever"
Der management

or are you a bit frightened that to go to the management would be not ok, because really, soemwhere inside you actually think "its ok for them to say what they want, where they want so long as Im not here"

Prejudice of any and every type should never be acceptable in a workplace,end of
 
Marius said:
The South East has been heavily anglisized for ages so no not much (if anything has happened there).

No most of the fires and protests have been in Mid / North / West wales.
Can't believe you think its all bollocks though. Have you never heard of Meibion Glyndwr being mentioned on the welsh news? The group well known for these kinds of attacks.

You can read more here (written by someone from Swansea Law School):

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-15295934.html
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Sorry Marius I didn't think that this sort of thing was going on. All I know is that the people I've known all my life are moving up the valleys as it's too expensive around here.
I've no problem with people from Bristol moving here because it's too expensive to buy in England but that's a different situation from the second home people who only come here at the weekends. They're the ones at risk from the torch people, no one would threaten those that relocate and choose to live in a different country.
Anyway one of the problems for Welsh people in foreign lands is that we are the great integrators. We don't look back to the old country but make a go of it where we are.:)
 
Trufflepig said:
Wow, just goes to show not even two Swansea Jacks form a unified front ;) I think you may have missed my point. Which was yes, you must tackle these people, as you say call them on it by saying growing a backbone and saying "actually this is bang out of order, its a workplace not some sort of gathering of the racially prejudiced". Just have the balls to say it, rather than have some anti-racist policy and fell you've done your bit just by signing a piece of paper to say so.
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so why not do both? why not say You are so far out of order its untrue... in terms of "This isnt me, being pissed with you, this is not on... at all, ever"
Der management
 
Mallard said:
Tbf that's what I did. I was actually wondering what others would do as I expect to hear similar again. You seem to think that telling people that it's out of order will make them desist. You can't have met many racists! Incidently, the older bloke regularly refers to others as 'half caste' despite being politely told at least twice that some people find it offensive.
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exactly what Im getting at.
I had a college lecturer ( I kid thee not) in a college( in da valleez) who alledgely had a law degree having to be explicitly explained to her what "Mix race" was and continually corrected on it if she ever referred to "Them coloureds" or "Half castes" by someone who had a mixed race daughter who was on her course and myself who has two mixed race siblings

People who are predudiced just wont do it in the earshot of people who say they are offended. Thats why management need to take prejudice af any and every sort seriously. The prejudiced should have to shut up and keep it shut rather than the 'possibly offended/included' swallow it
 
Most of my working life has been in England because Welsh people are moaning bastards.
I got a job because the woman doing the recruitment was married to a Welsh bloke (she was English) I wasn't qualified for the job but she wanted to give me a chance. It works both ways.
 
LilMissHissyFit said:
Prejudice of any and every type should never be acceptable in a workplace,end of
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I think prejudice should not be acceptable anywhere.

Perhaps its because I'm self employed I don't see the difference between two bigots ranting in an office, to two bigots ranting on a building site or in a pub. If I felt someone was being persecuted I'd like to think I'd stand up for them, whether by a boss or another colleague.

Still, there will always be bigots, unfortunately they are the ones who have to divide groups of people into for me or agin me. Have to shut themselves off from enriching cultural exchanges, and be thought totally ignorant by people who do not lead such blinkered, fearful lives.

Better they realise the limitations of their worldview this by being challenged as an individual rather than an employee / colleague. That being racist is not acceptable is the point here- rather than it is ok to be racist, but you cannot use words like nigger or paki in work because it against the rules.

I'd rather work with people who said what they felt, and argue the toss with them; rather than sign a pc mission statement and go on courses in cultural awareness.

Stop seeding power to employers to act as moral authorities rather than economic necessities.
 
in an environment where they are legally respobsible to ensure that dicrimination does not take place, if for no other reason that it could cost them financially an arm and a leg there is every reason for them to be involved.By their 'financial necessity' they also take on a legal responsibility to ensure that everyone is treated fairly, not just by the employer but by other employees
If you are self employed and you employ anyone it might be an idea for you to familiarise yourself with the legal differences and implications for you of your employees( or even prosective employees) of saying certain things both in a public place and in your workplace

Because at the moment you are saying" but me me me my view is..." which wont wash in a wider sense if you are ever challenged on it in a formal setting
 
LilMissHissyFit said:
Because at the moment you are saying" but me me me my view is..." which wont wash in a wider sense if you are ever challenged on it in a formal setting
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I take your point, and obviously being professional does involve moderating your conversation, and being generally adult and mature about things. But I feel, that's FEEL not think, that if people are bitching to one another this is not acting in a formal way, and so should be tackled informally. If there was an anti-Welsh meeting scheduled, I might be more formal about things. As it is two bigots ranting, and supporting each others limiting world view, I'd give them two penneth or leave em to it. I won't be inviting them round for bara brith and welshcakes or writing any Dear Sirs.
 
Someone told me once, i forget who, might even have been someone on here, that they took their new white boyfriend home to meet the black parents.

They exclaimed "He's white", she said, "he's welsh", they replied "thats okay then, we like the welsh".
 
Marius said:
Someone told me once, i forget who, might even have been someone on here, that they took their new white boyfriend home to meet the black parents.

They exclaimed "He's white", she said, "he's welsh", they replied "thats okay then, we like the welsh".
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Same reaction I got talking to people in Argentina, if anyone did "mention the war" :p
 
RECCE-CPL said:
I am welsh,ginger and in the army so I am stuffed.
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Could be worse, you could be in the free wales army, their terrorist campaign supposedly consist of two bombings, both killing the people setting them and no-one else.

Not in the manner of a suicide attack, but through little knowledge and clumsiness. :)
 
Posted this elsewhere but it seems relevant

People are rude thoughtless and speak with out thinking all the time, its life get over it.

Is anyone on U75 not

OFFENDED or TREATED BADLY or TREATED UNFAIRLY

all the fucking time, try turning your energy in positive directions/actions rather than all the hand wringing and grizzzling

Christ on a bike, I'm suprised any of you ever go out your front door

And like it or not people have opinions which you may find offensive or disagree with strongly
 
stretchy18 said:
Posted this elsewhere but it seems relevant

People are rude thoughtless and speak with out thinking all the time, its life get over it.

Is anyone on U75 not

OFFENDED or TREATED BADLY or TREATED UNFAIRLY

all the fucking time, try turning your energy in positive directions/actions rather than all the hand wringing and grizzzling

Christ on a bike, I'm suprised any of you ever go out your front door

And like it or not people have opinions which you may find offensive or disagree with strongly
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You're lovely you are. I wish you were my Da'.

Which is your favourite minority group stretchy? Mine's the Poles. They work fucking hard for fuck all money and always call you Sir. Of course, they're probably mumbling all sorts of things in that vile gabble they call a language but at least you can't here them moaning innit.
 
brianx said:
Don't worry about it Mallard. Charm the fuckers. The problem is most people don't come in to contact with Welsh people. My best friend used to hate Welsh people because her mother's boyfriend was Welsh and a right wanker. It was the only Welsh person she knew and that was how she made her judgement. It's like areas that have no black people are the areas that dislike black people most of all. If you've got a black neighbour you won't have the negative feelings. Life's too short mate.:)
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Charm them. That's right.


My best mate in the Army was in the BNP until he got a blow job off an Asian girl.

Changed his attitude entirely.

Could you go down that route?
 
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