snowy_again
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other than bumping into 4 people in the last week who have been burgled, no.
'Anti-social behaviour operation launched in Brixton Town Centre'
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other than bumping into 4 people in the last week who have been burgled, no.
richtea
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No muggings reported that I've heard, thankfully.
How can I tell? I can't for definite. Intuition. Just lots of eyeballing and attitude, with other people forming the same opinion. The landlord was concerned enough to talk to the police about it anyway.
Has anyone else noticed how quiet the Brixton end of Coldharbour Lane has become? The traders seem to be having a terrible summer. It's been like that since the big drugs raid. It's tempting to speculate that a large proportion of the punters who used to shop/drink/eat there were drug buyers or sellers.
I wonder how much of the Brixton economy is tied to people who come here for the drugs?
I wonder how much of the Brixton economy is tied to people who come here for the drugs?
ajdown
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Any amount is too much IMO.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Remind me how many safe public toilets there are in Brixton?
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Black men come into the pub.
Crispy
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More than there used to be, now that there are plenty of businesses participating in the council's toilet-sharing scheme. Anywhere with this sticker on the door will let you use their toilets for free. Mcdonalds and Dogstar arepart of the scheme. Mcdonalds is open 24 hours. It's 1 minute's walk from my front door, but people still piss in it
ajdown
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It's 1 minute's walk from my front door, but people still piss in it
An encouragement for anyone interested in your "rent our flat" thread...?
shakespearegirl
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More than there used to be, now that there are plenty of businesses participating in the council's toilet-sharing scheme. Anywhere with this sticker on the door will let you use their toilets for free. Mcdonalds and Dogstar arepart of the scheme. Mcdonalds is open 24 hours. It's 1 minute's walk from my front door, but people still piss in it
They've clearly not done much to promote this, I've never heard of it.
shakespearegirl
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I've complained to the council numerous times about council workers pissing in the bin area opposite our flat - when the full rubbish truck depot used to be in Shakespeare Road it was daily- they've never done anything about it.
Pretty much given up wasting my time on complaining after it took close to 10 calls to get anything done about the fence opposite that had fallen down and was blocking the pavement.
Pretty much given up wasting my time on complaining after it took close to 10 calls to get anything done about the fence opposite that had fallen down and was blocking the pavement.
ajdown
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I've heard it mentioned but, like you, haven't seen a great deal of promotion of it.
I always felt guilty popping into a McDonalds for a piss and not buying anything, even though it seems you can.
jezg
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I've called Coldharbour Safer Neighbourhoods team twice in last week to report users smoking up in the doorways on Saltoun Road around 9pm, first time they were dead keen, sent a unit pronto and just missed them but still did a search etc. second time they didn't even want to know and told me to call some switchboard number which was futile.
editor
hiraethified
We had the big community policing van parked up outside Southwyck House last night, with plastic cops patrolling.
I dare say the community are happy to see things calm down outside, but the thought in everyone's mind must be: "aren't all the problems just going to come straight back as soon as this initiative inevitably runs out of money/time/interest?"
I dare say the community are happy to see things calm down outside, but the thought in everyone's mind must be: "aren't all the problems just going to come straight back as soon as this initiative inevitably runs out of money/time/interest?"
richtea
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well actually that's precisely why I mentioned: there is indeed something you can do, and that's just ask people not to do it. I may just be imagining it but I swear the piss-to-pavement ratio has gone down on my road since I started doing that. I am Bellefields Road's Charles Bronson of pee.
Crispy
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I have been
Gramsci
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The probably genuinely are ... and do ... but the chances of the "ne'er do wells" actually taking advantage of the referrals are pretty slim ...
I was talking to a homeless in central London and he says the police give you a list of hostels etc and tell you if they catch you in the area you will be arrested. As he said the hostels are either full or you would rather be on the streets as they are horrible.
The thing Im concerned that people who are homeless etc put not bothering people are being targetted.
In central London at the moment the Police are doing "anti begging" operations. There was a sign up in Oxford.
Since when was begging a crime? Begging does bother me.Only if it is aggresive
Gramsci
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Read my post. My point was that i may not agree with God Botherers but i wuld only complain if they were causing me nuisance like using loud amplifiers.
My point was I dont go trying to ban people , the way they live or what they think unless they are causing me serious personal nuisance.
I feel some of this is about controlling peoples behaviour not removing crime.
Ive just been reading Anna Mintons book "Ground Control" she goes how this emphasis on controllong behaviour through planning and policing is the wrong way to do things.
http://www.annaminton.com/about.htm
How the fuck can someone who claims to have the interests of homeless people at heart even think about dismissing one of them as "a homeless"
As for the hostel provision - I agree entirely that it is in need of improvement ... but it is equally not all as dire as you imply. And it is for other agencies, not the police, to ensure that that is the case - at present those agencies assure the police that it is sufficient and appropriate. I would like to see the police actually verifying that for themselves, and refusing to act on the information provided until they are sure that it is correct ... but they should be the secondary target of this point - it is certainly not their primary responsibility.
Er ... 1824.
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/conten...029462&ActiveTextDocId=1029462&filesize=54565
And for many years the police have only addressed begging in individual cases where it has been aggressive or caused harassment or, in terms of a locality, where the sheer numbers of beggars have caused harassment even if each individual has not on their own.
Can you not see the dilemma in that? What you consider "serious personal nuisance" is not necessarily what someone else would consider "serious personal distress". The police do not randomly harass people they don't like ... they act on complaints they receive and I can assure you that in every area there are dozens and dozens of complaints abiout way, way more minor stuff than begging and God-bothering which the police decline to act upon (often attracting complaints and letter writing campaigns to the local paper).
If you want to help balance those complaints and help draw what you consider a more reasonable line in the sand, you certainly should attend community police engagement meetings - at the moment they are almost exclusively attended by the entirely intolerant, "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" style Richard Littlejohn followers you could probably imagine.
Pickman's model
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no indeed - they have "pre-planned" operations to do it.
Gramsci
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I do attend meetings where these issues are discussed. As Pickman points out the Police dont randomly harass people there are pre planned operations to do it
.Well actually there is disquiet that police randomly harass people. Like the case recently in London of the nine year old stopped and searched (without adult carer present). I do ,in a reasonable fashion, make my views known. I cant say it goes down well. As I think I said in a earlier post a lot of this comes from the Council (New Labour) who are obsessed with ASB etc. The Copper was ok its the Council Officers who arent happy with remarks from the likes of me. Part of the problem with these community engagement meetings is that you arent welcome if you arent an ardent supporter of policing (the Councils form of it).Its also how you deal with nuisance rather than outright criminal behaviour. I was reading the Anna Minton book( i put in a link to in a previous post )today. Part 3 is all about policing. Have you read Chief Inspector Neil Wain book critical of ASBO etc--"The ASBO:Wrong Turning ,Dead End"? She quotes from it. This whole area is contentious but under discussed. As she says this obsession with behaviour (Respect agenda ) etc can actually make things worse. Crime has either gone down or not increased dramatically in recent years. CCTV and increased emphasis on policing behaviour through ASBOs etc actually makes people more fearful not less which is not rational given th eactual figures. It also, in Mintons book, contributes to people withdrawing into an individualistic rights litigous culture when dealing with the State. Rather than a genuine community where people look out for each other. As is the case in many European cities. A parrallel she uses is in planning where some Councils remove traffic lights and barriers . Rather than seeing a rise in accidents drivers and pedestrians relearn that they share the social space. Eye contact and consideration for others increases and accidents decrease. This goes against all standard health and safety policies.
The point is less interference in peoples daily lives might actually mean less crime and ASB.
Gramsci
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How the fuck can someone who claims to have the interests of homeless people at heart even think about dismissing one of them as "a homeless"
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/conten...029462&ActiveTextDocId=1029462&filesize=54565
And for many years the police have only addressed begging in individual cases where it has been aggressive or caused harassment or, in terms of a locality, where the sheer numbers of beggars have caused harassment even if each individual has not on their own.
Ah Detective-boy I think I remember you now. Weve met on boards before. Im not that PC. Ive heard such a lot of PC stuff spouted by Councils etc who then do something really not PC in practise. The whole thing is sent up in Private Eyes police log of Neasden Central Police Station.You didnt work there did you?
Forgot you have various MAs etc in the law. Theres lots of stuff still on statute. But its not enforced. The new ASB culture can criminalise minor offences like begging. Begging was not much of an issue until recently.
As for Police themselves its all very well speaking to Cops at meetings. hey ususually are the one trained to deal with the public. It whats happens on the ground that matters. And i dont always like it. Nor is it as easy as you might think to object.
Then go more often. Take more people who think like you. Make those who are pushing the council's form of policing feel uncomfortable and show them that they are in the minority. If you withdraw you simply leave the field to those who want more "crackdowns" and who exaggerate every little thing into some major problem.
I am quite well aware of the argument about increasing focus on ASB raising the fear of crime while "proper" crime keeps falling and I have always had some doubts about treating all these minor things like proper crimes (in the Met we used to call the whole lot of the "use and condition of streets" and the approach was very much to try and manufacture some local compromise and only resort to prosecution in cases where there was no willingness to engage in that compromise).
As you point out we have a society in which everyone lives in their own little bubble ... but I don't think that current policing is causing that - I think Thatcher and all that she did has caused that and only politics and social engineering will take us back to a society where we genuinely lived together in communities. I think the policing we see is a symptom of that change in society - pulled this way and that by individual complaints based on individual views on what is and is not acceptable rather than policing a genuine community view, expressed through councils, etc. - not the cause of it.
