Anti-Sharia Rally called by OneLawForAll Nov21st 2009 London

[In Bloom]

Ah, you think the problem is the religion then?

No, but it doesn't help and is somewhat relevant to a discussion of religious courts, no?

Interesting. I take it you've investigated the history of the Arab peninsular and found that there was no sexism pre-dating Islam there. And you found that historically speaking there was no sexism in Europe before Christianity. So it makes sense that, since the whole problem is the Abrahamic religions, the roots of the sexism are the same everywhere.

Can you tell I'm using sarcasm?

I can tell that your ego is way out of proportion for somebody with so little capacity for understanding what other people are saying.

You can say it, but it doesn't make it true. For one thing, it doesn't say that mutual understanding between cultures is impossible - just very very difficult.

So "difficult, if not impossible", then? Idiot.

 

[frued]

Hi All,
Im new here and due to be at the EDL protest this weekend in Swansea. Im thinking twice about this 1) because of the min's silence wrecked by the UAF which was not needed and bad publicity and 2) When Islam 4 UK march in London as annouced today to insist on Sharia law for the UK the EDL will definitly be there so where does the UAF stand on this? Err whos side would we be on ?!?!?

The point about Sharia being ok if its voluntary is never going to happen, think about it a 15 year old girl going to a court where her parents, uncles, all friends and family and entire community tell her is the law deciding not to? Islam doesn't really let you pick and chose the bits of the Quaran you like.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

 

[frogwoman]

thanks for that post smokedout. x

 

[invisibleplanet]

now its possible something like that could come out of this, but i suspect not, and i further suspect this is more about promoting the agenda of the IWCP on the back of recent headlines

I could only support a march if it was against fundamentalism, rather than being against religious observance, which is what this march from 1L4A is against. So simply, I can't support 1L4A.

 

[durruti02]

I don't think they're lying but you have to look really hard on their quite comprehensive website to find any mention of the beth din and no mention of christianity's influence over the supposedly secular law in the UK (laws on gay marriage, prostitution, even drugs, could be argued to have a basis in protestentism - although im not seriously suggesting they should muddy the waters to that extent)

a strong multi-faith (or ex-faith) march calling equally for no sharia, end the beth din and the disestablishment of the CofE would have put clear blue water between them and the EDL, would seem less provocative to moderate muslims or those using sharia appeals as a tool of relative empowerment (as jeff points out early in the thread) and would place the debate about sharia in the UK in context

now its possible something like that could come out of this, but i suspect not, and i further suspect this is more about promoting the agenda of the IWCP on the back of recent headlines

isn't this simply as they are a group that is muslim women? who would themselves feel uncomfrotable about highlighting other religious ussues particulalry jewish and the possible reaction there would be to that??

i think it is best that resistance comes from within particular backgrounds otherwise it gets messy

 

[likesfish]

The point about Sharia being ok if its voluntary is never going to happen, think about it a 15 year old girl going to a court where her parents, uncles, all friends and family and entire community tell her is the law deciding not to? Islam doesn't really let you pick and chose the bits of the Quaran you like.


exactly a "voluntary" code that treats anyone whose not male as 2nd class should not get the support of the UK gov