If you're not going to make the tiny amount of effort it takes to read what I'm writing, I don't really think you're in a position to lecture me about researching things.
Anti-Sharia Rally called by OneLawForAll Nov21st 2009 London
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invisibleplanet
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Avoidance tactic.
Go and do some proper research, Mr. Popularist Bandwagon, and think very carefully about the consequences.
invisibleplanet
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I'm asking you to think about the consequences. Mr. Authoritarian Libertarian.
The consequences of what? Of being consistant in my criticism of organised religion? Of not patting reactionary religious figures on the head like some patronising Victorian philanthropist just because they're non-white?
i do hope that IP treats the vatican with the same uncritical respecct that he does islam...
Jonti
what the dormouse said
As I understand it, the results of approved voluntary arbitration are enforceable at law, provided that the ruling is not itself illegal or unconstitutional.
Nothing to see here. If people want to form voluntary associations with enfoceable 'rules' and penalties, that's fine.
Religion is a pile of poop, but the best opposition to it, I think, is to tolerate it to death.
invisibleplanet
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I got that. You're bothered about people defending religious communities whilst you're busy attacking them! Lolz.
I'm seeing radical muslim feminists try to reform 50s male dominated life from within. There's nothing to stop muslim women becoming specialists in Islamic religious law. I believe their prophet's wife, Aisha was one such woman. There's no religious edict preventing womens' participation in mosque life (communal worship), no religious edict preventing women's religious scholarship, no religious edict preventing women's legal expertise, no religious edict preventing women's participation in political life. British Muslim women are actively trying to eradicate that old-fashioned 50s-style male dominance - a male dominance that is not Islamic, but culturally influenced. Only an idiot would look down on religiously-minded feminists and try to make out they're not part of the wider feminist movement to improve rights for women, and give them no support whatsoever to stand with men as political, social, sexual and spiritual equals.
Spion
I hear ya
Spot on. Except I'd add, tolerate it to death while attempting to show better ways of organising social life
As I understand it, the results of approved voluntary arbitration are enforceable at law, provided that the ruling is not itself illegal or unconstitutional.
Nothing to see here. If people want to form voluntary associations with enfoceable 'rules' and penalties, that's fine.
Religion is a pile of poop, but the best opposition to it, I think, is to tolerate it to death.
invisibleplanet
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This is what a radical muslim feminist looks like
And that's what "religious courts and communitarian politics" means, is it? Dimwit.
You can appeal to scripture all you like (though it's a little odd for a non-Muslim to do so), but the reality of Islam as it actually exists and is experienced by the vast majority of Muslims is that it's as much a partriarchical institution as the other main religions in this country.
I never knew it was possible to fit that much stupidity and wrongness into one photo without Jim Davidson being in shot, but there it is. Astonishing stuff.
invisibleplanet
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invisibleplanet
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Compelling stuff.
Anyway, I'm well aware that some people believe that it's possible to reconcile both Abrahamic religion and feminism without making major compromises on both. It just happens to be the case that they're both wrong and stupid.
It's hard to imagine how an ideology which gives men freedom to marry who they want but not women can be reconcilable with religion, I agree. I wonder how these shariah courts in the UK would treat women who married non muslim men.
Spion
I hear ya
This sentence shows you haven't understood the basics of this issue. These courts are only given authority by parties to an issue assenting to submit to their arbitration.
spawnofsatan
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invisibleplanet
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Do women and men have equality in Britain yet? Is equality enshrined in civil law? No.
Do employers treat men and women equally yet? No. Women are still being sacked for becoming pregnant. Men are never sacked for becoming fathers.
Do employers treat men and women equally yet? No. Women are still being sacked for becoming pregnant. Men are never sacked for becoming fathers.
but that isnt an argument for formalising another (even more) patriarchal legal system
however whilst i oppose any religion within the legal system its difficult to make a case that only sharia should be singled out when we the beth din is accepted and the mainstream legal system is steeped in christianity
likesfish
You can't park here sir
we have been a christian country for over a thousand years. so tradition and history and culture is christian. We are not an islamic country and have no hisotry of islamic influence. Church courts only deal with church matters these days.
Sharia is grossly unfair towards women as is beth din. Beth din has been part of UK life since the 1600s so 400 years of history.
Sharia is not part of UK culture tough.
Nigel
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At least smomeones got some sense!
That's a pretty shit argument though. Indian takeaways are a pretty recent thing in the UK too, should they have been banned in order to protect British restaurants?
So? UK law being shit is no defence of Sharia, anymore than the opposite case is true.
here, here, on with the crusade
starfish2000
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So your saying its ok for Roman Catholic priests to order abortions if the woman concerned is a practising Catholic then?
Im sorry but as far as Im concerned I live in a secular state along with my muslim , christian and aetheist brothers and sisters.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
no but sort of explains why we have christian mumbo jumbo and beth din allowed. See no real reason to add another old fashioned illogical law system.
want a muslim legal system move to an islamic state.
Don't stay in the 21st centuary
Spion
I hear ya
We have a separation of church and state and religious tolerance. If you want intolerance I suggest you move somewhere else
