Anti Fracking Protector Camps

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by Jeremiah18.17, Dec 22, 2016.

  1. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

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  2. Mr.Bishie

    Mr.Bishie BeRightOn

    Can't see his hands an feet, cos they're firmly stuck in that big sticky fucking pie! :mad:
     
  3. Mr.Bishie

    Mr.Bishie BeRightOn

  4. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    It shows that if you want to stop these bastards, you have to be able to navigate the old boys club of the judiciary and government, which means knowing how to play their game. Merely being right is irrelevant. The whole system stinks so bad.
     
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  5. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Ridin' a Stutz Bearcat, Jim

    As Caudrilla themselves admit in that BBC article, every delay costs them cash money. You don't actually need to win these court cases, you just need to keep them coming. Just like physically blockading a site, the aim is to push these fuckers incrementally closer to ruin. That won't be easy, because there's a lot of deep money and deep influence at work, but even deep money has to use the same sluggish courts and winding country lanes as everyone else. The tactics and scale of operations they've used in the US just won't work here in the UK, and it's only on a vast scale and with zero hindrance that fracking can ever make money.
     
  6. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    You’re telling that to somebody who just did precisely that for 10 years. “If they aren’t drilling, we’re winning.” But if you want to delay, you still need to know how to use the right methods and approach. People think that as long as they speak truths, that’ll do it. But it doesn’t.
     
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  7. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Ridin' a Stutz Bearcat, Jim

    This is why I've always been on the team that's standing around in the rain waiting to get arrested, not the team that's indoors dealing with lawyers. I'm glad there are people on the lawyer team, just as I'm glad not to be one of them. But any use of the courts has to take into account the fact that the courts are an instrument of the state above all, and the state will ultimately do what it wants regardless of law or ethics. In order for people to keep bringing these challenges, I belive the aim has to be seen as wasting time and resources at least as much as actually winning cases.

    A 'win' in the coutrts is temporary, and limited. A bankrupt fracking company is for life.
     
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  8. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    You bankrupt them in the courts that much faster. They spent literally millions in our case. And of course it isn’t just bankruptcy— all delays can lead to unexpected sources of victory. In our case, the forestry commission decided after 12 years it had had enough and wasn’t going to renew the lease on the land. So that was that. You can’t delay a company for 10 years without the levers of the state to back it up, though. It’s too long a period of time. You do it by using every tactic available to hobble them with red tape. Denial of permission to proceed that means month after month after month of committees, inquiries, legal cases, more committees, more committees, draft 13 of the plan to fulfil condition 18, draft 14, draft 15...

    And in the end, when the headache of proceeding exceeds the headache of stopping it, when the council spending becomes untenable, the politicians quietly have words with each other and suddenly it’s over.
     
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  9. Mr.Bishie

    Mr.Bishie BeRightOn

    They couldn’t frack as planned today due to the Lancashire weather! Cost them 200 grand!
     
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    teqniq DisMembered

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  12. Mr.Bishie

    Mr.Bishie BeRightOn

  13. Jeremiah18.17

    Jeremiah18.17 Well-Known Member

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  15. Mr.Bishie

    Mr.Bishie BeRightOn

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