Anti Fascist Protest outside Oxford Union?
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durruti02 said:
as to the votes- UAF usually print them on the day- and are often in a position to post them before I am. their electoral chalenges continue. They are standing in by elections over the next month or so in Sandwell, Preston, Shepshed, Hatfield, Harrow and Benfleet. Of interest is that 3 of these areas (the last 3) are first time outings for them- which blows out of the water the offical UAF Line that they are declining organisationally. This is now 3 new coucnils they are fighting for - and not a left canddiate in sight (unless Respect get their ass in gear on Preston that is)
The Black Hand
Unclean
JimPage said:
The photos DID look good on Redwatch, there were many very different groups and people there as well as usual suspects. This could be the start of a larger anti fash campaign. Well done Griffin and Irving, you have finally managed to unite the Left!!
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
cos they are lieing tossers mate.JimPage said:
Basically.
FridgeMagnet
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It is and all.butchersapron said:
Nigel said:
BNP are weak in oxforshire - with just one group, in Abingdon and do hold meeting there to my knowledge. They fought a council ward of Henley South- polling 90 votes there- in May 2007. I think it os one of those areas where they find it hard going- and i would not expect a return visit to oxford any time soon
durruti02 said:ironically
thing is though the IWCA have been plugging away since, what 1998 - and their electoral challege is limited to a very few area- islington, oxford and thurrock. The BNP are opening new groups, on average, at the rate of 3 a month. Since the last round of elections in May 2007, the have fought (or will soon) elections in eight local council areas they have never fought in before.
The organised left, in the meantime, seems to be to be one politicla car crash after the other- the Respect split being there lastest. the left seems unable to unite- and seems disinterested in electoral politics to a great extent
so can you see why out of frustration if nothing else, no platform, with all its dangers, faults and short term view- seems to me to be the only option left?
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!durruti02 said:ironically
Tick tock mofos tbh. And i say that as an IWCA supporter (votes and cash thrown their way).
I was a bit depressed to see how much time Craft wastes with the council lot, on such stupid shit too.
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
JimPage said:
(bit in bold the only place they are still a challenge).
There was real momentum in the IWCA a few years ago - up until the the second mayoral election. Its dissipated now.
JimPage said:
yes i do see teh frustration and yes i do see that teh IWCA has not grown .. but sadly the two things are related .. the history and culture of the left and @ in this country is stuntism is alienated meaningkless rebelion that does nowt to change anything .. until we drop stunts like this ( oxford demo) we stay in that cycle .. and teh BNP who HAVE gone 'think global act local' are laughing all teh way to the ballot box
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
I don't just say this to be derogatory, it is a fact that fascism by nature jumps on every bandwagon of populist reaction in the society. Nick Griffin is completely right when he talks about members of the Labour Party, Conservative party, and the media in general acting as recruiting sergeants for fascism. They have had everything going for them in at least the last 10 years and probably the last 20. What needs to be explained in my opinion, is why they are not doing better than they are. I would expect in the circumstances for them to be doing at least as well as they are in other parts of Europe. This they haven't achieved YET.durruti02 said:
the basis of all the left philosophy, is the strength of the organised working class. BY COMPLETE CONTRAST to the fascists, the material base of the organised working class action, strikes, has seen almost 30 years of defeats with minor victories. Though there has been some major political upturns, the poll tax, the criminal Justice Bill, the Yugoslavian war, the war in Iraq, the confidence of these movements has not been solidified by the material example of workers winning. The bases of the entire left's stratgergy is contradicted by peoples everyday experience.
I understand your reaction, trying to work out the best way to respond to the real material existence of today, but I do think you also have to keep your eye on the historical big picture. At some fight the organised working class has to re-enter the political fight if we are to move forward.
er, that was contested, not all the left progressives, unions completely opposed
that
'Though there has been some major political upturns, the poll tax, the criminal Justice Bill, the Yugoslavian war, the war in Iraq, the confidence of these movements has not been solidified by the material example of workers winning.'
that
'Though there has been some major political upturns, the poll tax, the criminal Justice Bill, the Yugoslavian war, the war in Iraq, the confidence of these movements has not been solidified by the material example of workers winning.'
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
sorry, not sure what you're asking me.treelover said:
I think it would be fair to say this was not a mass political upturn, but my experience of it was in marked contrast to my experience of opposition to the first Iraq war. My experience was an upturn, but I would accept it is possibly a dodgy example.
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