Anti-Authoritarianism

[tobyjug]

My what a nasty, arogant twat you are.

Not a case of arrogant. It has happened so often in the past my wife now gets very shitty when it is only her and me that start to sort things out before the blue light professionals arrive. (She nurses for a living she does not want the hassle on her day off).

 

[Valve]

My what a nasty, arogant twat you are.

Not a case of arrogant. It has happened so often in the past my wife now gets very shitty when it is only her and me that start to sort things out before the blue light professionals arrive. (She nurses for a living she does not want the hassle on her day off).

just a case of nasty twat then?

 

[tobyjug]

just a case of nasty twat then?

Yes going to people's aid when they are injured when everyone else is doing fuck all is being a very nasty twat.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

good idea, you do the banner, i'll get the box of badges.

The unlikelihood of anti-authoritarians actually being able to organise themselves in any way will presumably save us from both badges and banner.

 

[mk12]

More yes than no anyway.

All vested authority should be democratic, adhered to voluntarily except in exceptional circumstances, without privelege, and challangeable.

Seconded.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Not thirded. People should adhere to the rules in all but exceptional circumstances, since otherwise those with the loudest voices and most antisocial attitudes impose themselves and their preferences on everybody else.

 

[mk12]

Not thirded. People should adhere to the rules in all but exceptional circumstances, since otherwise those with the loudest voices and most antisocial attitudes impose themselves and their preferences on everybody else.

So you disagree with the "voluntary" bit?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Very strongly indeed.

 

[Groucho]

Not thirded. People should adhere to the rules in all but exceptional circumstances, since otherwise those with the loudest voices and most antisocial attitudes impose themselves and their preferences on everybody else.

Do you really mean 'rules'? Whose? Or democratic decisions?

An egalitarian, genuinly democratic society (e.g. a socialist society) would seek not to impose on anyone.

Genuine democracy can only arise as part of the struggle by the mass of people. Opponents of such revolutions always raise the spectre of rule of the mob, the loudest voices etc. However, that is precisely what we have now; dictatorship of the powerful minority. The revolution transforms not only the social organisation of society but also the people making the revolution.

 

[Groucho]

Hello, I am 15 years old and I am from your future. I awake when I like, usually at sun rise. To be awoken unnaturally by a disturbing noise such as an alarm, I would regard as a form of torture. Torture is the word we give to people's lives before the revolution.

I shower then I visit my friends unless I have someone with me in which case I might have sex first, then shower, then visit my friends for breakfast. A large and glorious meal, or meals, can quickly be knocked up with lots of helping hands. My favourite breakfast ingredients are oranges and chocolate. I don't always eat the same thing though as that would be stupid and would get boring. I want to live a long and healthy life.

Our kitchen is vast. We eat either outside on the grass or inside in the kitchen dependent on the weather. Sometimes we have sex while we eat. I usually drink water or orange juice first thing, though some of my friends drink coffee.

Sometimes I stay behind to clear up after breakfast. We take clearing up in turns or at least when we feel like it. One of our friends used to rush off to play ball games and never helped clear up. After a while we left them to themself for breakfast and would not let them eat anything prepared by anyone else. They soon agreed to do their share.

Lately I have spared several hours over three days in eight to help organise a fair. I have learnt a lot about safety when setting up electric lights and arranging bonfires. It has been very hard work but I have enjoyed it so far. I also attended some of the planning meetings but I got bored so I left the committee.There was a little friction and some argument.

In the evenings I often join a concert. I like to play the drums and sing. Sometimes I just listen or have sex with a friend while others play music and sing. If we orgasm in time with the music we earn ourselves a round of applause.

I think I am presently in love with one of my friends who is a gardener. I am learning a lot about different plants and gardening techniques. I have even helped out a few times on the ornamental gardens. I used to go to the ornamental gardens to play the running game. There are plants there I had never noticed in all that time back then. I had not realised the time and care put into nurturing these gardens, or I might have been more careful not to tread on the flowers.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Do you really mean 'rules'? Whose? Or democratic decisions?

An egalitarian, genuinly democratic society (e.g. a socialist society) would seek not to impose on anyone.

Genuine democracy can only arise as part of the struggle by the mass of people. Opponents of such revolutions always raise the spectre of rule of the mob, the loudest voices etc. However, that is precisely what we have now; dictatorship of the powerful minority. The revolution transforms not only the social organisation of society but also the people making the revolution.

No doubt. However, I object to some bastard playing their music at half-past two in the morning just across the road.

(PS What in the name of God is post #40 all about?)

 

[mk12]

I think someone has logged onto Groucho's Urban account.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I think someone has logged onto Groucho's Urban account.

Possibly they insisted that his control of his username was arbitrary and authoritarian?

 

[Groucho]

No doubt. However, I object to some bastard playing their music at half-past two in the morning just across the road.

So would I, but such inconsiderate selfish behaviour is in part a product of the atomisation of individuals in our society.

 

[JHE]

Hello, I am 15 years old and I am from your future. I awake when I like, usually at sun rise. To be awoken unnaturally by a disturbing noise such as an alarm, I would regard as a form of torture. Torture is the word we give to people's lives before the revolution.

I shower then I visit my friends unless I have someone with me in which case I might have sex first, then shower, then visit my friends for breakfast. A large and glorious meal, or meals, can quickly be knocked up with lots of helping hands. My favourite breakfast ingredients are oranges and chocolate. I don't always eat the same thing though as that would be stupid and would get boring. I want to live a long and healthy life.

Our kitchen is vast. We eat either outside on the grass or inside in the kitchen dependent on the weather. Sometimes we have sex while we eat. I usually drink water or orange juice first thing, though some of my friends drink coffee.

Sometimes I stay behind to clear up after breakfast. We take clearing up in turns or at least when we feel like it. One of our friends used to rush off to play ball games and never helped clear up. After a while we left them to themself for breakfast and would not let them eat anything prepared by anyone else. They soon agreed to do their share.

Lately I have spared several hours over three days in eight to help organise a fair. I have learnt a lot about safety when setting up electric lights and arranging bonfires. It has been very hard work but I have enjoyed it so far. I also attended some of the planning meetings but I got bored so I left the committee.There was a little friction and some argument.

In the evenings I often join a concert. I like to play the drums and sing. Sometimes I just listen or have sex with a friend while others play music and sing. If we orgasm in time with the music we earn ourselves a round of applause.

I think I am presently in love with one of my friends who is a gardener. I am learning a lot about different plants and gardening techniques. I have even helped out a few times on the ornamental gardens. I used to go to the ornamental gardens to play the running game. There are plants there I had never noticed in all that time back then. I had not realised the time and care put into nurturing these gardens, or I might have been more careful not to tread on the flowers.

I thought it was supposed to be hunting in the morning, fishing in the afternoon and then cattle-rearing followed by lit. crit. in the evening.

Now I find it's all been changed: some communal cookery, a spot of gardening, a sing-song with some bongos and lots and lots and lots of sex for 15-year-olds!

 

[Groucho]

I thought it was supposed to be hunting in the morning, fishing in the afternoon and then cattle-rearing followed by lit. crit. in the evening.

Now I find it's all been changed: some communal cookery, a spot of gardening, a sing-song with some bongos and lots and lots and lots of sex for 15-year-olds!

Yes, I guess the 15 year old bit is an added element of unecessary controversy.

 

[JHE]

Yes, I guess the 15 year old bit is an added element of unecessary controversy.

When I was 15, I definitely would have voted for it.

 

[pilchardman]

I am very pro authoritarianism because 85% of any population is incapable of making decisions for themselves.

85? That's a pretty exact figure. No range? No approx?

You don't even believe it yourself, do you?

 

[888]

Possibly they insisted that his control of his username was arbitrary and authoritarian?

Stop the extremely dull straw man attacks on anarchism.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I thought it was leftists who lacked a sense of humour?

 

[tobyjug]

85? That's a pretty exact figure. No range? No approx?

You don't even believe it yourself, do you?

It is a precise figure, from data about psychopaths relative to the general population. Personally I would have thought 85% was on the low side.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Marvellous. Was it taken from one of your three thousand books?

 

[Groucho]

It is a precise figure, from data about psychopaths relative to the general population. Personally I would have thought 85% was on the low side.

And that's a.....fact!

 

[Donna Ferentes]

 

[tobyjug]

Marvellous. Was it taken from one of your three thousand books?

Actually not, it was from a TV program about psychopaths, oddly it would appear surgeons are often psychopaths.

 

[888]

One in six people are psychopaths? That's a pretty high proportion! And you count yourself among them, I see...

 

[tobyjug]

One in six people are psychopaths? That's a pretty high proportion! And you count yourself among them, I see...

Where did I write anything about the 15% being psychopaths? I only commented about the 85% who run around like chickens with their heads chopped off in an emergency. There are several subsets in the remainder.
If you are going to make insulting comments and stalk me all over U75 I suggest you actually read my contibution before you make any comment.
Psychopaths only make up 1% or 2% of the population and contrary to popular belief only a tiny fraction of that 1% or 2% have criminal tendencies.
Google on psychopath and Hare and do some studying.

 

[Groucho]

It is a precise figure, from data about psychopaths relative to the general population. Personally I would have thought 85% was on the low side.

So you didn't make your post too clear did you?? On its own this post reads that you think either 85% or 15% of the population are psychopaths. Taken with your previous post it reads that you believe 85% of the population are psychopaths.

Now it seems that you read that between 1 - 2% of the population are psychopaths and therefore deduced as a Tobyjug fact (though how exactly this figure was arrived at remains a mystery) that 85% of the population are incapable of running their affairs.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Now it seems that you read that between 1 - 2% of the population are psychopaths and therefore deduced as a Tobyjug fact (though how exactly this figure was arrived at remains a mystery) that 85% of the population are incapable of running their affairs.

What?

 

[Groucho]

What?

I'm not being clear either...

Tobyjug asserts that 85% of the population cannot run their affairs therefore we need an authoratarian society. He then states that this is a specific figure from a study of the ratio of psychopaths to the general population which he subsequently puts at 1 - 2%. The link between the two figures is a mystery.

I might still be unclear as I'm not quite functioning at the mo after the Sat night Sun morning thing.