Anti-America Lunatic Playwrite Harold Pinter raving again...

[nino_savatte]

I was watching TV5 News back in October and it was on the day of the twin occasions of Thatcher's 80th birthday and Pinter winning the Nobel Prize. I think it was telling the way they spent more time on Pinter than on Thatcher, who only got something in the order of 30 seconds compared to Pinter's 3 minutes.

Just thought I'd share that with you.

 

[Barking_Mad]

good on TV5.

 

[Binkie]

Fromm & Pinter

Yes Erich Fromm's great. 'Fear of Freedom' is liberating and enlightening. Takes in Marx and Freud and brings in the individual as a potentially free agent..

I think Pinter also has this social psychology thing going in some of his plays doesn't he? What forces limit our freedom?

 

[St Elsewhere]

......What forces limit our freedom?

For a rabid self-obsessed individual......it'll be the baton of the dictatorial state - which they must control - and death.

For members of a holy conscious universal body......it'll be original sin.

Fromm, Marx, Freud, Pinter. What a miserable, joyless, materialistic bore they all are. Their dry showbiz dialectic is as creative as masturbating into a rubber sock.

 

[Binkie]

Let's try to stay positive. You would probably like freedom..

 

[Barking_Mad]

I think the lightbulb in his bonce needs replacing.

 

[Streathamite]

Fromm, Marx, Freud, Pinter. What a miserable, joyless, materialistic bore they all are. Their dry showbiz dialectic is as creative as masturbating into a rubber sock.

obviously these minor, obscure figures from history (that'll be one inspiration for the two biggest ever revolutions, one founder of an entire science, and one nobel laureate) are as mere nothings, when compared to a towering giant of intellectual luminescence such as yourself....

 

[William of Walworth]

If for whatever reason you can't access the video (link above) here is the full text of the speech, as reproduced in the Guardian

I thought it was thoroughly excellent!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Fromm, Marx, Freud, Pinter. What a miserable, joyless, materialistic bore they all are. Their dry showbiz dialectic is as creative as masturbating into a rubber sock.

It's nowhere near as bad as your attempts to dry-hump Urban74 with your pseudo-intellectual interjections, though.

Fromm, Marx, Freud and Pinter have at least a positive mark in human history, whereas I suspect that you won't even merit a skidmark.

 

[ViolentPanda]

obviously these minor, obscure figures from history (that'll be one inspiration for the two biggest ever revolutions, one founder of an entire science, and one nobel laureate) are as mere nothinmgs, when compared to a towring giant of intellectual luminescence such as yourself....

Mmm, I rather get the feeling that in terms of intellectual luminosity, St. Elsewhere is to those minor, obscure figures as a nightlight is to the beacon reputedly held aloft by the Colossus of Rhodes.

 

[St Elsewhere]

It's nowhere near as bad as your attempts to dry-hump Urban74 with your pseudo-intellectual interjections, though.

Fromm, Marx, Freud and Pinter have at least a positive mark in human history, whereas I suspect that you won't even merit a skidmark.

Oh, the shame.

Not everybody feels the need to be a mountebank. Did you not know? Most don't even feel the need to spam over 10,000 posts onto an internet talkboard either.

 

[snadge]

Oh, the shame.

Not everybody feels the need to be a mountebank. Did you not know? Most don't even feel the need to spam over 10,000 posts onto an internet talkboard either.

at least his 10k don't stink of shite

 

[Streathamite]

Mmm, I rather get the feeling that in terms of intellectual luminosity, St. Elsewhere is to those minor, obscure figures as a nightlight is to the beacon reputedly held aloft by the Colossus of Rhodes.

I know i forgot to put an eye-rolling sarcasm indicator in there...
mind, he won't have a scooby who the colossus was.
or where Rhodes is, either.....

 

[Streathamite]

Oh, the shame.

Not everybody feels the need to be a mountebank. Did you not know? Most don't even feel the need to spam over 10,000 posts onto an internet talkboard either.

especially not if their first 67 are a complete crock of shite....

 

[St Elsewhere]

Mmm, I rather get the feeling that in terms of intellectual luminosity, St. Elsewhere is to those minor, obscure figures as a nightlight is to the beacon reputedly held aloft by the Colossus of Rhodes.

Wow, you really learningsed up your brains. Can't compete with that.

 

[Streathamite]

your first sensible and useful post!

 

[St Elsewhere]

hit the right level, innit tho'

 

[Binkie]

If for whatever reason you can't access the video (link above) here is the full text of the speech, as reproduced in the Guardian

I thought it was thoroughly excellent!

I've just read it. Christ, it has come to this.. What can we do?

 

[X-77]

it is a fantastic speech - once again, good on him

it's sad that Pinter is so ill - we desperately need people like him to stick around and continue being outspoken. But all the good guys like him are getting on in years now...

 

[siarc]

Mmm, I rather get the feeling that in terms of intellectual luminosity, St. Elsewhere is to those minor, obscure figures as a nightlight is to the beacon reputedly held aloft by the Colossus of Rhodes.

disregarding the subjects entirely, the notion that important thinkers cannot be criticised by lesser intellects is fairly specious

 

[St Elsewhere]

disregarding the subjects entirely, the notion that important thinkers cannot be criticised by lesser intellects is fairly specious

LIke it

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oh, the shame.

Not everybody feels the need to be a mountebank. Did you not know? Most don't even feel the need to spam over 10,000 posts onto an internet talkboard either.

I see my remarks hit home.

As for postcounts, a cynic would say that if all your postcounts from the different accounts you've had on Urban over the years were added together...

 

[ViolentPanda]

disregarding the subjects entirely, the notion that important thinkers cannot be criticised by lesser intellects is fairly specious

A point which I agree with but which would be relevant to this case only if it applied, it doesn't.
Unless, of course, you count "Fromm, Marx, Freud, Pinter. What a miserable, joyless, materialistic bore they all are. Their dry showbiz dialectic is as creative as masturbating into a rubber sock." as criticism.
Opinionated name-calling? yes.
Criticism? Nowhere near.

 

[John Quays]

St Elsewhere reminds me of marvellous television humorist Chris Morris in his diction and delivery.

Though I don't suppose it's him, not really.

 

[siarc]

A point which I agree with but which would be relevant to this case only if it applied, it doesn't.
Unless, of course, you count "Fromm, Marx, Freud, Pinter. What a miserable, joyless, materialistic bore they all are. Their dry showbiz dialectic is as creative as masturbating into a rubber sock." as criticism.
Opinionated name-calling? yes.
Criticism? Nowhere near.

that sort of gnomic dismissal is fairly common hisorically
nabokov's 'viennese quack' comes to mind
it is criticism of a sort, in that 'critique of pure reason' and 'taht is gay!1!1' are opinions of a sort

 

[Disciple]

but what can be done about it?

WHy is there all this droning on about the new tory leader, pathetic mimbling about irrelevant tit for tat in europe, where is jon snow in our hour of need? Harold Pinter, now recognissed by the Nobel committee as one of our great playwrites, makes an incredibly impassioned speech about our nations complicity in global murder, and it isn't still red hot news? WHy doesn't some politician make something of it? Have they quite literally got a gun to their head? What the hell are we all going to do about it?

 

[fela fan]

WHy is there all this droning on about the new tory leader, pathetic mimbling about irrelevant tit for tat in europe, where is jon snow in our hour of need? Harold Pinter, now recognissed by the Nobel committee as one of our great playwrites, makes an incredibly impassioned speech about our nations complicity in global murder, and it isn't still red hot news? WHy doesn't some politician make something of it? Have they quite literally got a gun to their head? What the hell are we all going to do about it?

This is the best post on thist thread. We just have to ask questions about our media.

I bet blair hasn't even been asked to comment on pinter's speech. I bet it's barely been mentioned on tv news. I bet the vast majority of the british population know nothing about this speech.

And as for america, well, i doubt anyone knows about it.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is one of the reasons i wonder why we make any fucking effort at all. Everything we say and debate on these boards is worthless and meaningless if pinter can tell the truth in such an articulate manner, and the media and politicians just ingore it.

It's as depressing as fuck. It seems to me people are most happy to let our polis do such things so long as it doesn't impact on our own lives. Our leaders of the western world get away with the worst possible criminality, meanwhile we keep locking up folk who killed one person. I read once that you could put all our polis in prison and put all the prisoners in charge of our country and you'd have a more humane leadership.

 

[Streathamite]

Oh, the shame.

Not everybody feels the need to be a mountebank. Did you not know? Most don't even feel the need to spam over 10,000 posts onto an internet talkboard either.

given that your 71 are (nearly) all shite, one can only feel truly thankful that you don't...

 

[fela fan]

that st person should just be ingored over a topic like this.

But i guess it's ancient news by now. And that is the truly depressing thing about it.

Blair should have been grilled over his support for the arch criminal and mass murderer. Which of course describes him more than adequately.

Where's paxman when you need him??

 

[camouflage]

This is the best post on thist thread. We just have to ask questions about our media.

I bet blair hasn't even been asked to comment on pinter's speech. I bet it's barely been mentioned on tv news. I bet the vast majority of the british population know nothing about this speech.

And as for america, well, i doubt anyone knows about it.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is one of the reasons i wonder why we make any fucking effort at all. Everything we say and debate on these boards is worthless and meaningless if pinter can tell the truth in such an articulate manner, and the media and politicians just ingore it.

It's as depressing as fuck. It seems to me people are most happy to let our polis do such things so long as it doesn't impact on our own lives. Our leaders of the western world get away with the worst possible criminality, meanwhile we keep locking up folk who killed one person. I read once that you could put all our polis in prison and put all the prisoners in charge of our country and you'd have a more humane leadership.

I agree, what is the bloody point of any of it when a man can shout it all from the rooftops, but to abso-fucking-lutely no effect whatsoever. All that happens is people on boards like this argue and talk crap all day.

Bollocks to it all, our whole species will be just another discolored layer of strata one day anyway, and above it, trees will still grow and the sun will still shine, therefore I also no longer give a fuck how many people our glorious leaders will dispatch next year either. Jesus fucking christ, the destruction of Falluja is still dismissed as some stuff that went down to protect Our Freedoms and abit of a bad PR job. If only Geurnica had been as easy eh.