Another wrong'un at Liverpool
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Pennant for 6m is scandalous, penannt for 8 is ludicrous. Though penannt himself is a good buy, because we are desperate for talent. With pennant on the right and kewell on the left and zenden tucked into midfield (I like the way he moves the ball) along with gerrard or sissoko... the future looks bright the future looks red.
muser said:
Gonzalez on the left, Pennant on the right, Gerrard and Alonso in the middle. Crouch up front with Bellamy (and Fowler in reserve). On paper that's a very good front six. Two out and out wingers, two excellent passers of the ball in the middle, a big target man and a nippy partner up front.
If only Liverpool could play all their games on paper......
Relahni said:Champions elect Biffo.
You going to Israel?
Hmmmmmmm....... Unlikely mate. Hopefully LFC won't be either. If they do then Tal Aviv has been mentioned as a venue by M Haifa as it's 'quiet' there at the moment. Greece or Cyprus would be the safer option imo.
sleaterkinney
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Nah, it just gives us options or possibilites as Don Rafa would say. Mix and match from Crouch, Bellamy, Fowler, Garcia, Pennant, Gerrard, Gonzales, Kewell, got a nice set of attacking players there.g force said:
Sweaty Betty
Hemo rising!
muser said:
To you yes, not me thanks...
corporate whore
oh, thought you were dead
sleaterkinney said:
hoptions, sleater, hoptions
I look at the Pennant deal like this: Heskey + a couple of million quid. Better that way, isn't it?
Admittedly it's risk, but he's the sort of player Rafa's been after, and at least it is known what he can do in the Premiership. Could have spunked double the money on Alves, who I know nothing about but am willing to make the usual ignorant assumptions about foreigners struggling to adjust
Could be worse - could've shelled out £15 million on Carrick, who Spus paid just £3.5m for a couple of years ago. That Ferguson, he's got an eye for a bargain, eh?
haylz said:
I just want to know why you disagree...
I make a 500mile round trip for every LFC home game & have done for the past 10yrs and can safely say that when GH was in charge games at Anfield, unless they were against Utd, were so fecking dull & boring! We'd get a goal & then sit back on it and defend like we were the away team. Whilst that may be good enough for most teams, for LFC that's not/wasn't! I never got to sample the glory yrs or King Kenny, Rush, Keegan & so on but I know enough about our history to know that what GH considered 'Attacking Football' was anything but! In fact, I swear I woke one bloke one week who had fallen asleep in front of me!!
London_Calling
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Opinion was based on the following facts;hektik said:
* 4 1/2 years under Wenger = 2 Prem starts, 1 year under Steve Bruce = 34 Prem starts plus 3 as sub (appearing in all but one Prem game last season).
* That quite poss (imo at least) the best manager in the Prem is prepared to pay an awful lot of money for him
* That outside of Ashley Cole, Wenger has no record of bringing on English talent after 10 seasons in the Premiership.
London_Calling said:
That's mainly because when he arrived we had bugger all in the production line. The academy wasn't up to Wenger's standard and so he cleared almost all of it out, restructured it and then handed it over to Liam Brady to oversee who, all in all, has done a very good job.
The thing with young players is that even if you do clear the academy out and start again, like wenger did, it takes a very long time for new players to develop. We've had a few rare successes. IMO the fact that Pennant and Bentley weren't better than Hleb, Freddie, Pires or Fabregas doesn't mean that Wenger overlooks English youth. It just means they're (Pennant and Bentley) not good enough. Pennant spent the last season looking OK in a shit team but not setting the world alight while Bentley, who I was looking forward to seeing week in week out at Blackburn, was distinctly average.
Looking at it from a different angle, I think everyone is surprised that Pennant's gone to Liverpool. I also think that everyone would be flabbergasted if Bentley got a big money move to one of the big four. They are not of the highest calibre.
But to carry the Wenger-doesn't-develop-english-players argument through to its logical conclusion you would arrive at two absurd scenarios. Either Wenger has some bizarrely parochial prejudice against English players or, in an even weirder possibility, Wenger's considerable talent for developing a player somehow doesn't apply to English players. Both of those, IMO, are downright stupid.
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London_Calling said:
I hardly think that the competition for places in Birmingham is the same as Arsenal. Pennant was against world cup winning players for places at Arsenal, and what's the competition at Birmingham?..exactly. He just didn't cut it in the reserves (in my opinion) where all that indiscipline off the pitch started and should have been sold then.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
Pennant got more crosses in than any other player in the prem last year. 400 or so. Not that I was watching, as long as less than 90% of these went into row z on the far side, he could be half decent for us.
All he has to do is not get a big head, but having people he cannot deny are better than him should help in that fact.
I was looking quite good at the end of last year, so apart from having a burnt out SG, I can see us making a 1/2 decent start this year.
All he has to do is not get a big head, but having people he cannot deny are better than him should help in that fact.
I was looking quite good at the end of last year, so apart from having a burnt out SG, I can see us making a 1/2 decent start this year.
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Sunray said:
I didn't know you played for Liverpool.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
g force said:I know...i'm spoilt. And how come you didn't include Van Bommel
But 3 tempramental players in one midfield suggests a rollercoaster season....for every crackign game they'll have 2 or 3 anonymous ones. Still, should be more entertaining than last year
Xavi or Van Bommel? No brainer innit. Play Eto'o and Gudjonsen up front
London_Calling
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If this is a good job, I'd hate to see a bad one.Diamond said:
Pennant's stats say different; it's not about who he plays with so much as who he plays against, and how he fulfills his primary function of delivering quality into dangerous areas.Diamond said:
Diamond said:
That he doesen't develop English talent is factually correct, that fact isn't diminished by ye olde 'logical conclusion' tomfoolery (as above) e.g.
So, implicitly, there's something wrong with the fact itself, right ?
London_Calling
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I wouldn't know where to begin with that sentence, Muser.
When an urban75 is asked a direct question they start shitting themselves, why is that? You are saying wenger doesn't bring on english talent. Why?
Some posters including me has offered a reason, you find those reason unacceptable and I'm giving you an example of swathe of english talent who failed to live up to expectations.
Some posters including me has offered a reason, you find those reason unacceptable and I'm giving you an example of swathe of english talent who failed to live up to expectations.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
I'm really not going to argue with you on such absurdist terms, but you do know half that England outfield own Champions League Winners medals - obviously none of them have ever played for Wenger.
Though quite what the parallel is between club teams and club managers getting the best out of his players has to do with SGE in a Cup environment I don't know.
Though quite what the parallel is between club teams and club managers getting the best out of his players has to do with SGE in a Cup environment I don't know.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
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Sunray said:
Only joking, no need to get upset.
sleaterkinney
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Gone in for Kuyt, We must have the uglyiest front line in the premiership now.
iROBOT
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Yeah so logical arguments have no effect, trust me my old mans a Spud.....muser said:What terms would you like to argue on? AW thinks english players are over priced, and haven't the required basic skill\ technical ability to compete at the highest level.
Do you agree with this sentiment or not?
I just realised you are a spurs fan.
