Another rape victim denied morning after pill

[p-j]

pbman, do think that the morning after pill should be denied to rape victims or not?

personally, I think anyone should be allowed to buy any medication (or any other drug for that matter) without having to have the purchase approved by some doctor or pharmacist..... I believe in freedom. I think freedom cuts both ways though.... I don't think someone should be forced by law to do something they find morally repugnant, even if I happen to disagree with their moral position.

 

[spring-peeper]

It's not technically an abortion at all you moron ... it's a high does of hormones which fools the body into thinking that it is already pregnant and therefore rejects any other potentially fertilised eggs or in case of any non fertiliesed egg it make the egg reject the sperm ... nothing is concieved nothing has ben created at this point as it's all still hormones...

this type of ill thought out and bullshit idea may well be acceptable from some one ill informed as yourself but the concept that a pharmacist who is supposed to know what drugs they are dispensing and what chemical effects they will have on the body it is 100% in excuseable, I hope that there is a back lash in the states which see's each and every pharmacist who does this struck of for sever professional misconduct, if you place the teachings of your local church above the learned science of your chemical and narcotic training then you are as much use (and potentially dangerous) to your community as a choclate teapot... god say's cancer victims are paying for their past sins so you can't have this medication??

simpl deal if you work in a store where the thins are sold then you sell it, if you find it morally objectionable then find a fucking job which doesn't offend your own standards ...

but then i guess as jesus was more than likely born out of a rape the american christos have no issue with it as they have deified the whole damn thing anyways...

First of all, I am not a moron.

Secondly, you are trying to apply logic to an emotional and religious debate.

Thirdly, it's the store owners that are deciding not to sell the cigarettes, not the employees.

Last point - you seem to be some type of idiot who feels that your point of view should be imposed on the world without looking into the culture of the area.

 

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Last point - you seem to be some type of idiot who feels that your point of view should be imposed on the world without looking into the culture of the area.

Just like the people who deny emergancy contraception to rape victims force others to adhere to their views?

 

[spring-peeper]

Just like the people who deny emergancy contraception to rape victims force others to adhere to their views?

exactly!!! The pill should be made available universally and not just to rape victims but to all those who "oops"ed the night before. Every child should be a wanted child, imo.

But this is the southern states, and trying to convince them of this is about the same as trying to get some of our gun-loving posters to give up their guns.

 

[In Bloom]

WE like having local laws and local control.

Its like anarky but real.

You try to pull this one out of your arse every so often, usually when you're losing. This pharmacist was in a privaledged position and he abused it by refusing emergency treatment to a person who had been raped. Utter, utter fucking scum

 

[Jo/Joe]

I believe in freedom. I think freedom cuts both ways though.... I don't think someone should be forced by law to do something they find morally repugnant, even if I happen to disagree with their moral position.

Anyone in healthcare, including pharmacists, have a duty towards those in need. Denying someone the morning after pill to a person who does not want to have their rapist's baby is a neglect of that duty. There is no credible religious belief that can justify such a position. It's repugnant. What kind of religion is it that does not want to ease suffering?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

First of all, I am not a moron.

then stop exhibiting the charcheteristics of a moron then ...

Secondly, you are trying to apply logic to an emotional and religious debate.

no i'm not they are by refusing to do the fuckign job...

Thirdly, it's the store owners that are deciding not to sell the cigarettes, not the employees.

this has fuck all to do with ciggerettes so let's not let the facts of the case get in the way of your soap box eh?... this is about a relegious nut case deciding that their hokam stories about a spook in the sky have some palce in their work place it's the indivuals decsion here not the work place which has decided to stock the drug in the first place....

Last point - you seem to be some type of idiot who feels that your point of view should be imposed on the world without looking into the culture of the area.

no i'm simply saying is that i personally have an issue with shooting people so i wouldn't choose to work in the army equally if you have choosen to work in a pharmacy then you should forego the hokem you have decided to follow in order to do you job. After all cancer drugs are getting in the way of gods will for that person to die a horriable agonising death or does that only follow under a misoginistic ill thought theologically unsound decree by a 14th centry pope adopted by the wider christos church in order to control property rights.. for a start the fucking stance isn't even theologically sound let alone morally appropreate it has fuck all to do with abiding with the local culture as this is one persons free will, other wise the local culture would prevent the fucking store from stocking the drug in the first case right so keep you stupid and clearly ill thought out moronic comments expousing your own ill thoguht out logic to your stupid self ....

what a cretin....

 

[spring-peeper]

then stop exhibiting the charcheteristics of a moron then ...




no i'm not they are by refusing to do the fuckign job...


this has fuck all to do with ciggerettes so let's not let the facts of the case get in the way of your soap box eh?... this is about a relegious nut case deciding that their hokam stories about a spook in the sky have some palce in their work place it's the indivuals decsion here not the work place which has decided to stock the drug in the first place....





no i'm simply saying is that i personally have an issue with shooting people so i wouldn't choose to work in the army equally if you have choosen to work in a pharmacy then you should forego the hokem you have decided to follow in order to do you job. After all cancer drugs are getting in the way of gods will for that person to die a horriable agonising death or does that only follow under a misoginistic ill thought theologically unsound decree by a 14th centry pope adopted by the wider christos church in order to control property rights.. for a start the fucking stance isn't even theologically sound let alone morally appropreate it has fuck all to do with abiding with the local culture as this is one persons free will, other wise the local culture would prevent the fucking store from stocking the drug in the first case right so keep you stupid and clearly ill thought out moronic comments expousing your own ill thoguht out logic to your stupid self ....

what a cretin....

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

good answer now care to address the points ...

 

[spring-peeper]

good answer now care to address the points ...

I have, it seems to be you that is consistantly missing the point!!!

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I have, it seems to be you that is consistantly missing the point!!!

no love you have missed the point you excuse you condemnation as well it's their culture so we have to respect it... which is bollocks it's not their culture it's an indivuals action which isn't culture at all and could never be thought of as such it's just a lazy excuse for an argument... ill thought out and tbh weak.

Besides some aspects of peoples culture should be challenged, like the island which has recently had the elders of the island aresseted and charged with child abuse that was a case of it being their culture, it still doens't exucse the actions or make it permissable.

In any case you try to pass off this as a cultureal difference is a disengenious argument which can only be self serving as it certianly is a red herring to this case and the widered general point beign discussed....

so I ask you again have you anything to add to the disscussion ?

 

[spring-peeper]

no love you have missed the point you excuse you condemnation as well it's their culture so we have to respect it... which is bollocks it's not their culture it's an indivuals action which isn't culture at all and could never be thought of as such it's just a lazy excuse for an argument... ill thought out and tbh weak.

Besides some aspects of peoples culture should be challenged, like the island which has recently had the elders of the island aresseted and charged with child abuse that was a case of it being their culture, it still doens't exucse the actions or make it permissable.

In any case you try to pass off this as a cultureal difference is a disengenious argument which can only be self serving as it certianly is a red herring to this case and the widered general point beign discussed....

so I ask you again have you anything to add to the disscussion ?

Let me see I can grasp the point.

Even though an action is socially and morally correct for one culture, it is acceptable for you to try to get them to change because it offends you and does not fit with your morals.

How close am I?

 

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Let me see I can grasp the point.

Even though an action is socially and morally correct for one culture, it is acceptable for you to try to get them to change because it offends you and does not fit with your morals.

How close am I?

So we're back onto it being socially and morally acceptable to deny someone the pills because that is right for their socity and taking that pill does not fit in with their morals? They aren't just trying to change her views, they are forcing her to live by their rules.

Damn right there are some views that need changing when they harm another. A veiw saying it is acceptable to deny a rape victim the chance to ensure she dosen't go through the trauma of concieving her attackers child is one of those views. by all means, they are free to hold the view that the pill isn't right and not take the pill themselves, but when they act on those views to do another harm, they are in the wrong.

 

[spring-peeper]

So we're back onto it being socially and morally acceptable to deny someone the pills because that is right for their socity and taking that pill does not fit in with their morals? They aren't just trying to change her views, they are forcing her to live by their rules.

Damn right there are some views that need changing when they harm another. A veiw saying it is acceptable to deny a rape victim the chance to ensure she dosen't go through the trauma of concieving her attackers child is one of those views. by all means, they are free to hold the view that the pill isn't right and not take the pill themselves, but when they act on those views to do another harm, they are in the wrong.

You are preaching to the converted, you know that don't you?

My point is that a society has the right to it's own way of doing things, that's all.

 

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My point is that a society has the right to it's own way of doing things, that's all.

Not when they harm people because they enforce their views on others.

 

[Jo/Joe]

My point is that a society has the right to it's own way of doing things, that's all.

This means nothing at all.

 

[_pH_]

Kiss my ass.

Its local control.

The big nanny state is that way. ------------------->

You fucking idiot

 

[spring-peeper]

Not when they harm people because they enforce their views on others.

Maybe they think that taking the pill would harm an innocent unborn child.

 

[trashpony]

exactly!!! The pill should be made available universally and not just to rape victims but to all those who "oops"ed the night before. Every child should be a wanted child, imo.

How can you say that, and then follow it up with this:

My point is that a society has the right to it's own way of doing things, that's all.

They directly contradict one another. Are you actually saying that if a woman gets raped in the Deep South, she's going to have to accept that she won't be able to get the morning after pill because 'that's how things are in her society'?

Where are the rights of that woman in your analysis of this situation? Or should she move if she doesn't like it?

 

[_pH_]

My point is that a society has the right to it's own way of doing things, that's all.

What is 'society?' I doubt very much that there is any concensus view on this issue in the southern US - there will inevitably be people who disagree with the religious view, they probably just don't shout so loudly. But does this mean they are not part of 'society', which is the implication of them not being allowed to do something that does not affect anyone else in a material sense?

 

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Maybe they think that taking the pill would harm an innocent unborn child.

so they enforce their views on someone that does not aggree with them.

 

[Jo/Joe]

Maybe they think that taking the pill would harm an innocent unborn child.

Why are you sticking up for them? You obviously sympathise with their position. Perhaps you'd like to identify what 'thinking' is involved in believing that an innocent unborn child can exist within days of a sexual act.

The fact remains - they did not ease the suffering of another human being when given the opportunity. What would Jeesus do?

 

[spring-peeper]

How can you say that, and then follow it up with this:



They directly contradict one another. Are you actually saying that if a woman gets raped in the Deep South, she's going to have to accept that she won't be able to get the morning after pill because 'that's how things are in her society'?

Where are the rights of that woman in your analysis of this situation? Or should she move if she doesn't like it?

There are worse consequences for women being raped in other countries. Being denied a pill is very minor.

 

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There are worse consequences for women being raped in other countries. Being denied a pill is very minor.

And that makes this acceptable?

 

[spring-peeper]

Why are you sticking up for them? You obviously sympathise with their position. Perhaps you'd like to identify what 'thinking' is involved in believing that an innocent unborn child can exist within days of a sexual act.

The fact remains - they did not ease the suffering of another human being when given the opportunity. What would Jeesus do?

I'm not.

I'm appalled by the treatment of women, blacks, children, dogs etc. in the southern states, and everywhere else in the world.

But there is nothing I can do with about it.

And about the Jesus issue - I think he would sit down and cry out of frustration as people use and manipulate his words to oppress others.

 

[_pH_]

Maybe they think that taking the pill would harm an innocent unborn child.

There's the crucial word. What they think is merely an opinion, which they're entitled to, but not to enforce on others surely?

 

[Jo/Joe]

One thing you could do is not try to justify their actions to us.

 

[trashpony]

There are worse consequences for women being raped in other countries. Being denied a pill is very minor.

Very minor? Very FUCKING minor???

What fucking planet are you on??? How is it 'very minor' to have to carry a child to term? How is it 'very minor' to bring an unwanted child into the world?

Oh - but it's okay because if you get raped in Pakistan, you may get sentenced to death. And it's not as bad as that, is it?

God - I thought Garf was being harsh with you earlier but you really are a complete and utter moron.

 

[spring-peeper]

One thing you could do is not try to justify their actions to us.

ok

 

[cyberfairy]

Very minor? Very FUCKING minor???

What fucking planet are you on??? How is it 'very minor' to have to carry a child to term? How is it 'very minor' to bring an unwanted child into the world?

Oh - but it's okay because if you get raped in Pakistan, you may get sentenced to death. And it's not as bad as that, is it?

God - I thought Garf was being harsh with you earlier but you really are a complete and utter moron.

seconded and life is not going to be much fun for both the mother or maybe the child as a result so the whole pro-life thing rings a bit hollow when two lives may be ruined instead of a tiny cell being removed