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Another nightclub shooting...

I'm sorry to hear about your loss DJBigga.
The day after it happened the Standard were blaring headlines of 'a massacre' which seemed one of the most hyperbolic and shameless attempts to sell a crap newspaper that I have seen, even by them. One man died. He was blameless according to the papers I read today, no gang connections etc.
 
Late to this thread. Really really gutted to read about this. All possible support etc. to Bigga from me as well. :(

This place I'd noticed when heading for the Redstar, looked quite dodgy with the pavement queues/crews at times.
 
Mrs Magpie said:
I'm sorry to hear about your loss DJBigga.
The day after it happened the Standard were blaring headlines of 'a massacre' which seemed one of the most hyperbolic and shameless attempts to sell a crap newspaper that I have seen, even by them. One man died. He was blameless according to the papers I read today, no gang connections etc.
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i glanced at the headline as i walked past a newsagents and though 'oh god not another US school shooting/explosion in iraq etc'

twats :mad:
 
Who the fuck are these people who go for a night out, with guns?

What did this poor lad die for? Looking at someone wrong? Being mates with the wrong person? FFS :(

Giles..
 
RIP Bigga's mate, sorry if my earlier post was a bit insensitive, just feel a bit numb to it all...
 
What did this poor lad die for? Looking at someone wrong? Being mates with the wrong person? FFS :(
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Rumour has it the kid that died was part of a gang of 4 who threw some pretty large large lit fireworks right into the middle of the busy club, risking the lives and welfare of many people, indescriminately.... and the doormen were expecting them, it seems.

That's the story doing the rounds, anyway.

Of course if it's true the guy didn't deserve to be gunned down, but it goes some way towards finding a motive.
 
That, I think is wrong....the police were saying (initially, anyway) that the gunmen threw fireworks as a diversion/cover for the gunfire.
 
niksativa said:
Tragedy.

Did anybody see this story yesterday, horrific Peckham murder:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6102888.stm

kids who did it were 15 + 17. Fucking idiots.

Can anyone explain why the media didnt really cover this story? Its got all the hallamarks of sensationalism that they usually wet themselves over.
Was it because the victim was an immigrant woman?
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it was definitely covered in the Southwark News. there is one mistake in the story. it is not the Acorn estate, it's the woodene estate, part ot the Acorn neighbourhood office. also, it is only "squalid", because being due to be demolished any time soon (it may even have started), hardly anybody lived there anymore and nobody cared about it and its remaining residents.
 
It got loads of coverage when it happened...not just in london, either.....even my Mum heard about it and she lives hundreds of miles away
 
Mrs Magpie said:
That, I think is wrong....the police were saying (initially, anyway) that the gunmen threw fireworks as a diversion/cover for the gunfire.
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You're spot on, from what I know Show was just in the wrong place at the arong time, as for motive, the police have found 20 odd shell casings, who knows who these people meant to hit.
 
Fair enough - these are the rumours and it's here (among other places) that they can be dispelled.

Whatever way you look at it - it's shit - all the outcry over Jean Charles DeMenezes yet hardly a word said about the dozens of deaths due to gun crime within a 5 mile radius of that incident that have gone on before and since.
 
DJ Bigga said:
I think you're right plus the fact that Gun Crime is (IMO) being portrayed as a black problem.
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One aspect of gun crime ("respect" shootings) is a problem within the black community. The black community has recognised that for years. It was that recognition which led to the pressure on the Met to start Op.Trident. It is that recognition which has led to a number of community initiatives to try and address the problem. It is that recognition which is behind Lee Jasper's latest pronouncements.
 
detective-boy said:
One aspect of gun crime ("respect" shootings) is a problem within the black community. The black community has recognised that for years. It was that recognition which led to the pressure on the Met to start Op.Trident. It is that recognition which has led to a number of community initiatives to try and address the problem. It is that recognition which is behind Lee Jasper's latest pronouncements.
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It is that recognition which has the rest of London saying to themselves 'guns are a black problem'

I think I made my feelings clear on this in an earlier thread. You obviously see things from a different angle.

I'm not even going to tackle stupid phrases like "respect shootings". Fucking ridiculous whatever the source. It's funny cos when I had this same discussion on Blacknet, people there seemed to understand what I was saying.

I wonder how long it'll be before we have a special task force to tackle the scurge of weed within the black community?
 
detective-boy said:
And you alternative to recognising there is a problem?

Or do you simply deny there is one?
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Very clever Db, you must be proud. The fact of the matter is that as long as the general public are being fooled into thinking that gun crime is black crime. It will never be resolved.

Gun crime is a London problem, an MOD problem and a Customs problem. But hey why should we go after the big guys putting the guns on the streets in the first place. Lets tackle low hanging fruit and go for these black guys and they're 'respect shootings'.

If you call that denial, then you need to go check a dictionary.

Anyway as I said before I'm not interested in rehearsing this argument with you. You have made your views clear and I have done likewise.

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detective-boy said:
One aspect of gun crime ("respect" shootings) is a problem within the black community. The black community has recognised that for years.
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What does this mean, I mean really? Are you really claiming that it's only black folks who shoot each other when they've been insulted in in some way, or that they're the only culture where injuries are caused trying to maintain face and status. Seems unlikely doesn't it? But I guess that saying 'respect shooting' provides a natty catch all term that seems to be urban and suggestive of black crime. It's all about respec' innit.
:rolleyes:

This whole notion of the black community as one monolithic bloc speaking with one voice also slightly pisses me off. Who's bloody 'recognising' it as a black problem - are you sure they're not acknowledging that there's a problem, but not necessarily one confined to their own group?
 
tarannau said:
What does this mean, I mean really? Are you really claiming that it's only black folks who shoot each other when they've been insulted in in some way, or that they're the only culture where injuries are caused trying to maintain face and status. Seems unlikely doesn't it? But I guess that saying 'respect shooting' provides a natty catch all term that seems to be urban and suggestive of black crime. It's all about respec' innit.
:rolleyes:

This whole notion of the black community as one monolithic bloc speaking with one voice also slightly pisses me off. Who's bloody 'recognising' it as a black problem - are you sure they're not acknowledging that there's a problem, but not necessarily one confined to their own group?
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Put far far better than I could have.
 
Ah well, it'll be the Romanians versus the Albanians soon, and they're white, so I expect Operation Neptune, to run alongside Operation Trident, and Operation Pershing for the Russian gangsters....
 
DJ Bigga said:
Anyway as I said before I'm not interested in rehearsing this argument with you. You have made your views clear and I have done likewise.

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With an attitude like that you'll soon solve the fucking problem then won't you ... :rolleyes:
 
tarannau said:
What does this mean, I mean really?
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No-one is saying that gun crime is ONLY a black crime.

No-one is saying that there is no other way into the problem than addressing the users of guns (nor are those routes being ignored).

But the statistics into casual shootings over absolute bollocks reasons (which I grouped together under the title "respect shootings" because "he dissed me" is a common fucking excuse the twats come out with) show that the young black male is massively overrepresented as both victim and suspect.

Failure to recognise, acknowledge and address that disproportionality would be negligent, on the part of all concerned. It is the black community telling the police they are concerned over the levels of black youth shooting black youth. What do you expect the police to do? Tell them they're imagining it?
 
I guess it doesnt hit home till it directly affects you, my families place in faringdon was teh scene of a shooting a couple of years ago and it made teh whole problem seem more real
 
pk said:
Ah well, it'll be the Romanians versus the Albanians soon,
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There are already significant similar issues recognised within the various Eastern European communities but they are not as focused and, probably due to demographic factors (location, numbers) as much as anything, they are not recognised as such a priority.
 
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