Ann Widdecombe vs the Benefits Culture

[goldenecitrone]

Surely some of the kids could get jobs. Some of them looked quite old. Their small hands would be perfect for cleaning out shell casings to help with the Iraqi war effort. And aren't there still loads of chimneys in Derby for fuck's sake.

 

[Jografer]

so by that argument then if you buy a tv in dixons and then the manager of that store uses their wages to buy porn you don't approve of do you have the right to bitch about the manner in which the manager is spending that money you have given over to dixons?

or closer to home i've paid tax for the last 15 years which will cover the length of your education so can i complain that you are clearly wasting that money by posting bilge on internet bulletin boards in some selfish aim which acutally you have had no input into?


Have you paid the full cost of your education if not can i compalin when you fail to gaint he level which i deem appropreate for you consdiering it's my money...

it's not your money it's money given for goods and services for which no one wants to pay for but accepts it needs to be covered.

So you don't approve of this one persons spending it in that manner tough tits, deal with it you childish prat...

Dear, dear, we are having a bad day...

 

[Superape]

He was on the dole. He had a 4 by 4. He had a sports car. He can afford to spend time in the pub.

I work. I don't have these things. The Government takes money from me to take care of the needy & less able. He isn't one of them. The sooner people like him are exposed for the feckless lazy wankers they are so that the people in genuine need aren't stigmatised the better.

 

[Jografer]

Because his kids would starve and we are a civilised country?

I am more pissed off about "my money" going into the black hole that is Iraq or the billions being wasted on some shitty Olympic nonsense.

One man with 18 kids is insignifcant to the billons wasted elsewhere.

Agreed that this bloke would be low low down on my list of "how my taxpayers money is wasted" as well, but don't agree that therefore the case is insignificant. Mainly because examples like this are used to demonise all claimants and so will be another excuse to cut/save from this area of govt expenditure.

Personally I don't see why there should be any benefit/tax incentives or support for more than the first 2 kids... but that's another thread....

 

[wishface]

This is all rather odious IMO. Where do you think the benefits that people get paid goes? If i don't spend mine on beer, drugs or anything that for the sake of argument might enrage the chattering classes, then where does it go? It goes back into the system. There is also VAT and the taxes levies on goods and services i pay for.
So when i spend my benefit at tescoes, i don't have the right to dictate to Mr Tescoes what he does with company money because it's no longer my money. It also goes toward the wages of the staff who serve me which in turn contributes to the system. I pay their taxes for them in a very real way since without profit little miss till girl doesn't get paid and then can't pay taxes.
So this taxpayer bnullshit is just that (unless you assume i hoard my money in a shoebox 'neath the bed).

 

[wishface]

why would they starve if he had a job? there's millions of people out there working long hours in low paid jobs just to put food on their families table and i have so much respect for them.

and yes, i agree about current foreign policy and the olympics being a far bigger fiscal issue. i never said that one leeching guy was the biggest problem taxpayers face, but that doesn't change my point that he doesn't deserve the money he's getting when he and his 'wives' are MORE THAN CAPABLE OF GETTING WORK AND SUPPORTING THEIR FAMILY.

that respect is worth precisely fuck all in the world. It's a nice thought that makes people feel good about their actions but means nothing when you're earning £Shit in a wage slave job.

That a world worth respecting?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I agree with johnny, I think tax payers have every right to be pissed off with this guy, he's got a sports car, a 4x4, a caravan, goes down the pub when he wants, drinks what he wants, eats what he wants and all those toys in the garden for the kids, i'd say the only thing that's shit is the fact he has a 3 bedroom house with 21 people living in it!

The welfare system was setup to help people but now it's got to a state where it gets abused, there are benefit families now who have kids at 16, 17 and then live on benefits and get cheap/free housing, then when the kids grow up they do the same and so on and so on. I know I sound Daily Mail but this is from speaking to people who work in housing associations, the job centre and people who openly admit they do this. I claim benefits myself and it's a meager existence but there's very little government support to get you off them, I want to work, I know what area I want to work in but I get absolutley fuck all help from the job centre, their slogan reads "The right training, the right job" i've repeatedly asked for both and they point me no where, I feel it's because they've seen so many people who they know don't want to work, they think everyone else is the same and they go through the same robotic processes every week.

 

[5t3IIa]

I just remembered that he was also making money off breeding dogs, or something? And not declaring it, presumebly?

 

[wishface]

I agree with johnny, I think tax payers have every right to be pissed off with this guy, he's got a sports car, a 4x4, a caravan, goes down the pub when he wants, drinks what he wants, eats what he wants and all those toys in the garden for the kids, i'd say the only thing that's shit is the fact he has a 3 bedroom house with 21 people living in it!

You're playing into the programme maker (and Anne's) hands.

 

[ICB]

It was a desperately shit programme and we were forced to change channels by the despair-inducing stupidity of it.

He was on the dole. He had a 4 by 4. He had a sports car. He can afford to spend time in the pub.

Cheap old ones, combined value less than your average 3 year old rep mobile.

Just because you and tabloid readers disapprove of his lifestyle that doesn't mean he shouldn't be entitled to benefits. Considering the number of kids they didn't seem to have a very large income or luxurious lifestyle to me; 13 of them in a 3 bedroomed house with a few tacky consumer goods.

For every tabloid headline grabbing jerk there are 1000s of people trying really hard to make ends meet and build decent lives for themselves and their kids. If they're not trying to we need to ask why not and how can they be encouraged to rather than proposing to return to a land of Victorian slums, widespread penury and banging the disadvantaged up in debtor's prisons.

 

[wishface]

Gotta say, Labour come out rather well: thank fuck they rjected the workfare idea.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

You're playing into the programme maker (and Anne's) hands.

Not really no, I realise why you say that but I don't think I am, the programe used that particular case to make out all people on benefits are scroungers and that's clearly not the case, but this bloke is taking the piss really isn't he? he's also an exceptional case but not as exceptional as one might think. I think he is but then again the government's allowed him to take the piss.

e2a: I also don't believe the whole "He's got 18 kids it must be hard to work" argument either, people have been having fucking enormous broods of kids for ages and still worked, and when he did work he all of a sudden hurt his hand. I believe most people on benefit want to make a life for themeselves, work a good job and support themselves and families, i'm one of them but there are people who want to take the piss, not work and contribute fuck all to society and contribution to society is important otherwise it won't work. I understand why they picked this particular case, we all know why but you have to accept that people take the piss and I feel this bloke is one of them.

 

[likesfish]

he's a git and hopefully will have the dss making his life just the teenist hard.
fuck me if I could be £46k better off if I worked a year it would be cheers easy year later off with stress year later work thats a £100k in 3 years nice work if you can get it

 

[bluestreak]

so anyway, do you think for the next series we can have Anne Widdecombe vs a Massive Hungry Chimpanzee?

 

[tufty79]

*crosses fingers*

 

[PacificOcean]

so anyway, do you think for the next series we can have Anne Widdecombe vs a Massive horny Hungry Chimpanzee?

Now there's a show!

 

[_angel_]

These programmes go out - they manage to find their stereotypical dole scrounger who in all reality is about as rare as rocking horse shit.

I would LOVE to know how to get a sports car and wide screen telly on income support btw.

So people get righteously angry 'Take their dole off them all!!'

People like this guy exist in every walk of life - total pisstaker and that. These people will ALWAYS be okay because they are not playing by the same rules.

So taking dole off all lone parents/ people on benefits only ever goes to punish the genuine claimants because piss takers like him will always find some way to play the system, then the rest of us get tarred with the same brush.

Irresponsible and nasty piece of journalism/tv.

 

[chymaera]

What I did not expect from Doris Karloff was spouting the usual ill informed bollocks about Incapacity Benefit that usually comes from such nasty bastards as Victor Lewis Smith.
I expect better of a politician who was in power at the inception of the All Work Test for Incapacity Benefit.

 

[Mogden]

Shameless Mick is protesting his innocence in the local rag.

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/d...me=yes&more_nodeId1=124522&contentPK=18182596

 

[PacificOcean]

What I did not expect from Doris Karloff was spouting the usual ill informed bollocks about Incapacity Benefit that usually comes from such nasty bastards as Victor Lewis Smith.I expect better of a politician who was in power at the inception of the All Work Test for Incapacity Benefit.

I really liked his column in the Standard.

I've never seen him spout anything like this. I thought he seemed quite lefty?

 

[_angel_]

What I did not expect from Doris Karloff was spouting the usual ill informed bollocks about Incapacity Benefit that usually comes from such nasty bastards as Victor Lewis Smith.
I expect better of a politician who was in power at the inception of the All Work Test for Incapacity Benefit.

Why? This is the woman who wants to take carers pissy £50 a week allowance away from them, that saves the state several BILLION pounds of tax payers money for looking after loved ones who are sick often round the clock without break.

 

[chymaera]

I really liked his column in the Standard.

I've never seen him spout anything like this. I thought he seemed quite lefty?

Victor Lewis Smith is a particurly nasty disablist bastard who were I to meet him face to face I would deck with whatever was the heaviest blunt instrument to hand. His attacks on ME sufferers are totally completely and utterly unforgivable.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Shameless Mick is protesting his innocence in the local rag.

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/d...me=yes&more_nodeId1=124522&contentPK=18182596

She managed to secure him three job offers, including one at Burton-based barrel-maker Cammac Brewery Support Services.

Mr Philpott accepted the position but is currently off work with a hand injury.

"I'm back at work in six to eight weeks," he said.

 

[rollinder]

so anyway, do you think for the next series we can have Anne Widdecombe vs a Massive Hungry Chimpanzee?

in a cage, overseen by Klingons?

 

[wishface]

Why? This is the woman who wants to take carers pissy £50 a week allowance away from them, that saves the state several BILLION pounds of tax payers money for looking after loved ones who are sick often round the clock without break.

WHAT?

How evil is this cow?

Forgive me, but I'll take that fucking hagcunt seriously when she's had to ring the local surgery for help trying to lift an old man sick with MS who can't walk out of a stairlift and get refused help (because the nurse thought it might hurt her back, diddums).

Anyone who thinks carers have an easy ride should be taken out and shot.

Rant over.

 

[Jambooboo]

Seen 'Shameless Mick' on something else before, probably Jeremy Kyle or something. Remember thinking his 'wives' seemed somewhat slow.

 

[rhod]

I know a bloke in his '50s who unexpectedly had joint custody of 3 infant kids after the junkie daughter of his partner did a runner.

He has had to fight for EVERY penny for even the most basic things (even though they are saving the state a fortune by looking after the kids) and though his partner has had to give up work, he is still doing his best to hold down a steady job with humility and strength at a time in his life when he expected to be winding things down and enjoying life a little.

I really hope that he didn't see this programme, as I'm sure he would have been even more incensed that I was watching it. I know "Mick" was an extreme example, but there really is no reason why an able-bodied person can't get some sort of work, whether it is temporary or through an agency, whether it is packing in a factory or sweeping the roads to get some money and self-respect.

(I say this from a background of trying to find work in the '80s in South Wales, and from taking all sorts of shit jobs when my back has been against the wall from time to time) - and I don't read the Daily Mail, or support Anne Widdecome - but on this issue she is right.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Victor Lewis Smith is a particurly nasty disablist bastard who were I to meet him face to face I would deck with whatever was the heaviest blunt instrument to hand. His attacks on ME sufferers are totally completely and utterly unforgivable.

His piss-taking of that actor (Matt Fraser) who had no arms due to his mum taking thalidomide was pretty nauseating too.

 

[Greebo]

<snip>there really is no reason why an able-bodied person can't get some sort of work, whether it is temporary or through an agency, whether it is packing in a factory or sweeping the roads to get some money and self-respect.<snip>

(I say this from a background of trying to find work in the '80s in South Wales, and from taking all sorts of shit jobs when my back has been against the wall from time to time) - and I don't read the Daily Mail, or support Anne Widdecome - but on this issue she is right.

Please tell me what self respect you get from doing a job for the same money as (or less than) benefits?

When desperate for work after graduating I went around all the local agancies and was explicitly told (in spite of my saying that I really would do anything which paid enough to costs) that they wouldn't give me anything like picking and packing. This in spite of my having temped as a cleaner etc in virtually every holiday I had.

There's also the problem of rent & commuting costs - one job I took landed me deep in debt because it paid £10 more than the income support and yet I was getting £40 less housing benefit, and spending over £20 more a week on commuting. I took that job (against my better judgement) because people told me that any job has got to be better than none.

Never again. The day I got made redundant from it (after Black Wednesday) was one of the happiest ever - couldn't afford to just leave the job or wouldn't be able to get benefit, and the hours made me unable to look for work elsewhere.

 

[smokedout]

"The right training, the right job" i've repeatedly asked for both and they point me no where, I feel it's because they've seen so many people who they know don't want to work, they think everyone else is the same and they go through the same robotic processes every week.

you really wanna work, give me a couple of days to find it and ill get you the number of a labouring agnecy

itll be proper hard work, youll need to be there at 7am to get picked up and it will be minimum wage, but you could probably start on tuesday, 6 days work a week though, you just better make sure you turn up every day or youll get sacked

or are you just a lazy sponging hypocrite who doesnt even have kids to look after as an excuse