Animal Rights Gathering 2006 23rd To 26th

[KeyboardJockey]

KJ the vast majority of animal experiments are repitition and you are fully aware of that, and its not ar peeps fault that experiments are moved abroad, its the natural progression of globalisation to move capital to cheaper venues.

I agree with your point about repetition and I would prefer to see a lot of the repetion reduced but until we have eg a nationalised pharma business then it is natural that competing companies will reinvent the wheel so to speak. As I have said before some form of international animal experiement results data base would signifcantly reduce the number of animals used in experimentation.

As to the questionof moving animal experimentation to China etc if the companies feel that it is costing too much to protect their staff and premises from the loons then they naturally going to move their work to places like china. This would be the negative result of the ar extremists. Animal experimentation is unfortunate, sometimes distasteful but necessary for human development.

I it was a choice between a few lab primates and developing a cheap antiviral or post exposure prophylactic for Africa then I would choose the latter no question about it.

I agree to disagree with the more sensible ar peeps even though I think they are supremely misguided but I think the ar loons, the graverobbers et al are ultimately going to damage animal welfare per se due to companies leaving the UK for more lax but more security concsious regimes.

 

[subversplat]

This is an announce thread, in the announce forum. You're getting in the way of people going "ooh I'm going" "me too!"

There's already two other threads on the go with exactly the same arguments in both

 

[zenie]

This is an announce thread, in the announce forum. You're getting in the way of people going "ooh I'm going" "me too!"

There's already two other threads on the go with exactly the same arguments in both

Thanks

This always seems to happen though

Oh and BTW answer my post earlier on in the thread

 

[subversplat]

Thanks

This always seems to happen though

Oh and BTW answer my post earlier on in the thread

I haven't decided whether I'm going yet but you'll be the first to know, k

 

[nopassaran]

Yo KJ dude.......I'd probably agree that taking steps to end the suffering of humans is a priority over that of animals - although considering that we're the ones ultimately responsible for all the crap in the world I say this with a degree of hesistancy....HOwever you seem to lack the ability to comprehend that animals experience pain and suffering in similar, if not, identical ways to that of humans. The notion of rights is therefore intrinsic to this argument and whilst you are correct to point out that rights are a social construct, this doesn't provide anyway near a valid justification for not extending them to animals. Besides isn't animal welfare - which you appear to support - derived from the same ethical sentiments that underpin the whole concept of rights?

And if I'm not presuming too much perhaps you should pay a little less attention to what Marx said about controlling nature!

over and out!

 

[october_lost]

Welcome to the boards nopassaran.

I haven't decided whether I'm going yet but you'll be the first to know, k

I would go the event but I think the people involved have taken a turn for the worse. And can you imagine the state not sending along some agents?

 

[nopassaran]

yeah...thanks OL

 

[rainbowman]

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[lostexpectation]

I seee this has already dubed a terrorist training camp