Angry Wimmin

[Johnny Canuck3]

I'd heard of fried placenta, but I didn't know it was part of such an event. Oh my. Personally I'd find it really hard to keep down a few Twiglets while watching someone give birth, let alone have the stomach for placenta.

Wonder what it tastes like?

I always thought it was supposed to be eaten raw, the way a dog or cat eats the afterbirth after having a litter.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

well they attacked a lesbian fetish nightclub for 'promoting slavery' which was kinda ridiclous as it was just women deciding thery were bored with looking ugly and deciding to wear sexy clothes. Some women wore spikey dog collars and some paraded around with their girfriends on leashes but this was evil in the kerazee world of the deptfrod dykes

using sex toys like dildos was also wrong as it was just 'emulating the patriarchy'

they actually physically attacked women entering the club and threw red paint over them.

Imagine what they would have done if any of the fetish lesbians had shown up wearing real fur...

 

[laptop]

Presumably ME doesn't exist for ryazan due to the inexplicable failure to fit it into a cult-of-Marxism orthodoxy?

Therefore It Must Be Stamped Out. There Must Be No Other Ideological Grounding. ME has failed!

((I never expected to see my point about shitting on ideological competition made for me so comprehensively in 2006. 'S really nostalgic...)

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

As a bloke surrounded by feminists in the eighties it was a bit scary to read some of the stuff that was going around. I remember one book chapter by the Leeds womens group (or something like that) that described men as the phallic imperialists and that women who had sex with men were colluding with the enemy and being colonised from within. I was very sympathetic to feminism but as a bloke I couldn't really sign up to this sort of thing. .

Of course not. There's nothing more disturbing to men than the thought that women are going to withold sex en masse.

 

[Ryazan]

Presumably ME doesn't exist for ryazan due to the inexplicable failure to fit it into a cult-of-Marxism orthodoxy?

Therefore It Must Be Stamped Out. There Must Be No Other Ideological Grounding. ME has failed!

((I never expected to see my point about shitting on ideological competition made for me so comprehensively in 2006. 'S really nostalgic...)

Leninist charicatures are a little old fashioned too you know.

If currents within Marxism are to be portrayed in such a way, and then applied dishonestly to people who see class and what to do about that as being a fundamental factor in the emancipation of women....what use is any debate?

Marx placed down no plans himself of what was to be built in terms of a communist society. Groups throughout the last century have seen Marxism as a historical and politcal basis for their beliefs and own politcal plans, but they are far reaching and conflicting.

Communism does not begin and end with Leninism.

 

[soulman]

Leninist charicatures are a little old fashioned too you know.

If currents within Marxism are to be portrayed in such a way, and then applied dishonestly to people who see class and what to do about that as being a fundamental factor in the emancipation of women....what use is any debate?

Marx placed down no plans himself of what was to be built in terms of a communist society. Groups throughout the last century have seen Marxism as a historical and politcal basis for their beliefs and own politcal plans, but they are far reaching and conflicting.

Communism does not begin and end with Leninism.

Why do you continue this hero worship of a political/religious icon? Marx and his rich backer Engels have nothing to offer people now. Whatever they did offer was played out in the 20th Century during the "Russian Revolution".

You still visiting Russia on the off chance?

 

[Ryazan]

No it wasn't. Marxist-Leninism failed. Religious? This isn't another confused, and false description akin to the "Facism of the left" comments you get from people with little perspective? Why is Leninist dogma equated with Marxism through and through? This is madness.....

And besides, I thought you were interested in the Left Communist tendency running through western Europe in the 20th century. The Soviets of the west- workers councils, Council Communism?

I do visit Russia regularly, yes...What has that got to do with not wanting to apply well worn cliche to far-left politics?

What do you offer, apart from offering "communities of resistance", somewhere along the lines of painting your own garden sheds without the local authorities connivance? You even think the IWCA is Leninist in it's organisation.

 

[wtfftw]

No, you have tried to be smarmy, like you did on that other thread, and when you play with fire, you get burned....

Now, if you want to actually discuss anything in this thread seriously, then I would be willing to do that with you.

So because I don't engage with you directly (there's absolutely no point in these threads as we simply disagree), you think it's fine to bring up my chronic medical condition? An apology by PM doesn't cut it if you then call me smarmy in the thread (for giving people pointers to further reading as far as I can gather).

That's the end of all my serious discussion with you.

 

[Ryazan]

There never has been, just smarmy remarks from you on other threads and this one too. Considering the PM was sent after the post.....I couldn't really give a shit to be honest....

 

[Agent Sparrow]

There's loads of interesting reading on how class, race and gender interact and which to prioritise etc.

Multiple Jeopardy, Multiple Consciousness: The Context of a Black Feminist Ideology - Deborah King.
Ain’tIA Woman? Revisiting Intersectionality - Brah & Phoenix
Feminism and the challenge of racism: deviance or difference - Aziz

That's just some basics innit.

This is smarmy?

 

[Ryazan]

This is smarmy?

She has form, from other threads....I'm not interested in anything from her at all now.

 

[Louloubelle]

She probably has two.

I do but there's no need to be alarmed by them

Just because your mother rubbed off on you doesn't mean that I will

 

[Louloubelle]

Feminism is dead, but working class oppression isn't.

Does this mean that, in the competition to gain most 'oppression points', a man like you can triumph over women because you're working class?

 

[Ryazan]

Liberal middle class feminist politcal power, is not as much of a force to reckoned with like it was during the early 20th century, and even a little beyond. It is dead. I haven't talked about oppression points, but I am sure you have your conscience pricked every once in a while, into feeling a little guilty, about the lives of your more oppressed "sisters".

Since some middle class feminists did not seek to actually challenge class differences but instead reinforce them, then of course it was up to working class women to maintain a seperate identity, in relation to the term "feminist". Co-operation, yes, but that should not have been seen as a way to drown independant initiative on the part of working class women, more vulnerable to the problems of poverty and shite employment. As it did in some cases.


Why I would want to "triumph over a woman" I do not know, what you mean by that to be honest. But if to be aware of class oppression, conscious through personal experience, more so than reading fusty journals, of the matrifocal realities of poor families, and to try and achieve any triumph that men (aware of their sisters' position under patriarchy) and women of the working class can have over the restraining aspects of their working and personal lives, then I am all for it.

The problem is sustaining such action. Such is the divisive nature of this society.