Angela Rayner's time is up

[PR1Berske]

I've little sympathy for her and for all the reasons above, she was clumsy and naïve in how she carried this out. It's also true that the media have been waiting for a gotcha for some time, they despise working class people (in general) and working class people who move up the ladder (in particular).

 

[klang]

Angela believes

Rayner.

 

[weltweit]

Admittedly I've been skimming the news, but can you link to that? I didn't know she had a solicitor advising her.

Hi Bluescreen, I don't have a link I am afraid but - after Rayner claimed she had poor advice the solicitor involved in the purchase said, they recommended she take specialist tax advice - in writing, but it seems she didn't.

 

[Wilf]

People always rationalise this stuff to themselves though e.g. one wasn't hers and would have been lost if she lost her seat, one wasn't hers because of her disabled son and divorce proceedings meaning she was basically homeless and therefore perfectly justified in getting a small flat for her self in a deprived seaside town.

'Small flat'? 800 grand?

Also if she lost her seat she'd get another wheelbarrow of cash for losing it.

 

[weltweit]

Hi Bluescreen, I don't have a link I am afraid but - after Rayner claimed she had poor advice the solicitor involved in the purchase said, they recommended she take specialist tax advice - in writing, but it seems she didn't.

MSN

Angela Rayner's lawyers insist they did not give her tax advice and say they are being 'scapegoated'​

 

[two sheds]

Hi Bluescreen, I don't have a link I am afraid but - after Rayner claimed she had poor advice the solicitor involved in the purchase said, they recommended she take specialist tax advice - in writing, but it seems she didn't.

That firm seemed to have a competent solicitor and an incompetent solicitor - do we know which one did the denial? Although Rayner anyway does seem to have admitted she didn't follow their advice.

 

[redsquirrel]

Torygraph saying Emily Thornberry planning to run as deputy leader.

Does the Deputy Leader have to be an MP?

 

[Terraform]

Does the Deputy Leader have to be an MP?

Good question. I think so, but I am not sure.

 

[belboid]

Does the Deputy Leader have to be an MP?

they do (clause VII, 1aii)

 

[redsquirrel]

they do (clause VII, 1aii)

Ta.
Might have been a more interesting contest if that was not the case

 

[andysays]

Ta.
Might have been a more interesting contest if that was not the case

Who might run if it weren't MPs only?

Andy Burnham would be a possibility, I suppose.

 

[redsquirrel]

Who might run if it weren't MPs only?

Andy Burnham would be a possibility, I suppose.

Burham or Khan possibly. TBH I think it would be unlikely but there could have been a chance of someone opening up a front against Starmer. Would not have changed anything politically but at least it might have been a bit more interesting

 

[steeplejack]

Sir Kieth told to "stop making mistakes" by senior Labour figures in one of the first public acknolwedgements of the depth of Labour's problems, in the wake of Rayner's departure.

In other news, Geoffrey Boycott has been told to stop playing forward defensives, it's been suggested to Olly Murs that he stop making shit records, and the representative of the local grizzly bear community has agreed to consider not defecating in woods.

First signs of a challenge to Kieth's flaky authority?

 

[two sheds]

He's clearly been making mistakes on purpose, he should just stop

 

[redsquirrel]

He's just so shit at politics - they're miles behind in the polls, his own popularity is rock bottom and the government is pursuing policies that are deeply unpopular with the party's base.
The obvious thing is to keep your enemies closer, bring a few soft left into the cabinet where they will be constrained.

Instead by kicking out all the soft left he's just building up the number of opponents that are going to give it to him - especially after next May's elections

The Guardian can also reveal that Burnham is backing a new political network called Mainstream, which is drawn largely from the soft left and aims to influence the direction of the party.

Steered by the thinktank Compass, it is planning to mobilise a grassroots motion at party conference demanding the abolition of the two-child benefit cap, as well as aiming to campaign in constituency Labour parties and across the country for what they describe as bold but practical reforms.


Burnham said he was concerned about the balance of the cabinet after the reshuffle and the deputy leadership contest was a moment to try to shift the party away from being London-centric. One of his preferred candidates, Haigh, who resigned last year over a scandal about a conviction for fraud over a missing mobile phone, is understood not to have made up her mind whether to run.

 

[Petcha]

they do (clause VII, 1aii)

Really? She was on Kuenssberg yesterday and was asked if she would do it and she said was thinking about it. I assume she knows the rules.

 

[belboid]

Really? She was on Kuenssberg yesterday and was asked if she would do it and she said was thinking about it. I assume she knows the rules.

Emily Thornbury is an MP

 

[Idris2002]

The SNP have been doing it for years.

That John Reid guy as well, if memory serves.

 

[Petcha]

Emily Thornbury is an MP

Ah ok, I thought she was just in the Lords the Lords these days.

 

[Petcha]

There's a good guide to the whole shambles here

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[Wilf]

Sir Kieth told to "stop making mistakes" by senior Labour figures in one of the first public acknolwedgements of the depth of Labour's problems, in the wake of Rayner's departure.

In other news, Geoffrey Boycott has been told to stop playing forward defensives, it's been suggested to Olly Murs that he stop making shit records, and the representative of the local grizzly bear community has agreed to consider not defecating in woods.

First signs of a challenge to Kieth's flaky authority?

He's clearly been making mistakes on purpose, he should just stop

 

[MSW]

He's just so shit at politics - they're miles behind in the polls, his own popularity is rock bottom and the government is pursuing policies that are deeply unpopular with the party's base.

When you say ‘base’ do you mean the PLP or the voting public.

 

[Medicate]

I've little sympathy for her and for all the reasons above, she was clumsy and naïve in how she carried this out. It's also true that the media have been waiting for a gotcha for some time, they despise working class people (in general) and working class people who move up the ladder (in particular).

The right wing media have been waiting for a gotcha moment because they hate working class women that become powerful and influential.

 

[Petcha]

The right wing media have been waiting for a gotcha moment because they hate working class women that become powerful and influential.

What? She was blatantly dodging tax against her own legal advisors' advice. It has nothing to with her gender or class. If this was a male Tory minister would you have sympathy?

The left wing press were also piling in. I agree it's a shame, because she's a human being and she must be suffering, but she was dodging housing tax a month before her colleague Rachel Reeves jacks up tax for the rest of us.

 

[Medicate]

What? She was blatantly dodging tax against her own legal advisors' advice. It has nothing to with her gender or class. If this was a male Tory minister would you have sympathy?

The left wing press were also piling in. I agree it's a shame, because she's a human being and she must be suffering, but she was dodging housing tax a month before her colleague Rachel Reeves jacks up tax for the rest of us.

Cameron fucked a pig, Sunak and his wife dodged taxes, Boris breached covid rules, Hancock gave his pub mate a multi million ppe contract, Rayner failed to take the correct advice... Omission vs overt acts of skulduggery.

 

[Petcha]

Cameron fucked a pig, Sunak and his wife dodged taxes, Boris breached covid rules, Hancock gave his pub mate a multi million ppe contract, Rayner failed to take the correct advice... Omission vs overt acts of skulduggery.

Oh they're all fuckwits, don't get me wrong. But I'm not giving Rayner a pass just coz of her accent and what gender she is. She's as dodgy as all the ones you listed. And there's a queue of equally dodgy fuckers waiting to take her place.

 

[Medicate]

Oh they're all fuckwits, don't get me wrong. But I'm not giving Rayner a pass just coz of her accent and what gender she is. She's as dodgy as all the ones you listed. And there's a queue of equally dodgy fuckers waiting to take her place.

I feel for her, she's come from nothing and had to fight like hell to get where she is, notwithstanding hers sons severe disability and the right wing press constantly hounding her. She made one mistake. I wish I was her advisor, i'd have told her to come out fighting explain the mistake own it and move on with courage and the fortitude she's shown her whole life. One mistake does mot define who we are. I see George Galloway has recently called her a low life, boils my piss, she was one of the good ones.

 

[redsquirrel]

When you say ‘base’ do you mean the PLP or the voting public.

I mean its core voting block, which will include LP members.
Though some of the policies are obviously not very popular with the wider PLP, even if they have toed the line so far

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It misses the point to ask whether we have sympathy for Rayner. She was a prominent member of a vile government. Who gives a shit about her personally?

What matters is the effect this has had on the government. Rayner wasn't some left winger holding the govt back from its worst r/w excesses. She was enabling those excesses. And with this shambles there is a chance of a shake-up. Starmer is weakened. Would Creasy have openly questioned the Palestine Action policy were she not now angling for Rayner's job? Would mps be openly talking about Starmer's mistakes?

More of this, please.

 

[klang]

I wish I was her advisor

You'd be well pissed off with either her or yourself. Or both.