Angela Rayner's time is up

[kenny g]

I've got fuck all sympathy for her. She has bolstered a wretched party leader who gained his position on a series of lies and broken commitments. It is therefore of little suprise that she has been caught out as a tax avoider who was willing to lie about the professional advice she hadn't received. The argument that the Tories do worse is pretty empty as they were destroyed at the last election due to their corruption by the party which Rayner was a major part in.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've got fuck all sympathy for her. She has bolstered a wretched party leader who gained his position on a series of lies and broken commitments. It is therefore of little suprise that she has been caught out as a tax avoider who was willing to lie about the professional advice she hadn't received. The argument that the Tories do worse is pretty empty as they were destroyed at the last election due to their corruption by the party which Rayner was a major part in.

They weren't in any way destroyed by labour. Tories stayed at home or voted lib dem or reform. And a fuckton of labour voters couldn't bring themselves to vote for Starmer's party. If labour had destroyed the tories you'd expect at least labour would have garnered at least as many votes as 2019.

 

[Karl Masks]

https://x.com/localnotail/status/1963915621353054413

 

[Pickman's model]

https://x.com/localnotail/status/1963915621353054413

You could at least have shared both a screenshot and your opinion

 

[The39thStep]

Piss taker.

Planet Petcha

 

[redcogs]

This probably reads a bit random, but i have thought a lot about social class over the years. When i was an 'active revolutionary' and a member of 'The revolutionary Party' (swp), i was surrounded by well intentioned educated people who often had posh accents along with good careers in academia (teachers, lecturers, professors etc). Many amongst their number also had the (accidental) ability to fall back on the bank of mum and dad when things didn't go according to plan. In other words, by comparison with authentic working class people (who sold their labour power to the wealthy) and risked everything in their pursuit of a decent and fair society, they were quite privileged. Obviously, this contrast didn't make those people bad or manipulative, they were simply seeking a better world, but they operated under circumstances quite different from someone dragged up on a tough estate with few economic or social advantages. i was always uncomfortable about that division. Whenever i raised it in conversation, the academics 'explained' that the overwhelming majority of people sold their labour to the boss class and were thus 'working class' by definition, and that my concerns were sort of divisive if not irrational. i could see their (usually cleverly put) points. But that feeling has never really deserted me. These days cynicism means that i quite often view self selecting leaderships of the working class with trepidation..

Where this leads in relation to Rayner i'm not sure. Her background, so obviously working class, has probably led to her becoming a target for class prejudice amongst a certain sector of society who despise her very existence as a 'successful' Labour politician. But surely the truth is that she has been seriously contaminated by the (inevitable?) swirling sparkling temptations of cash and power and entitlement which are alive and kicking in the Labour Party environment. i reckon the bigger picture remains - the Labour Party never was (or could become) a suitable vehicle for transforming the world.

 

[GarveyLives]

Angela Rayner's time is up​

Not necessarily ...

... a new career beckons?​

 

[The39thStep]

Not necessarily ...

... a new career beckons?​

That's utter shite AI chav stereotyping stuff

 

[Dystopiary]

This probably reads a bit random, but i have thought a lot about social class over the years. When i was an 'active revolutionary' and a member of 'The revolutionary Party' (swp), i was surrounded by well intentioned educated people who often had posh accents along with good careers in academia (teachers, lecturers, professors etc). Many amongst their number also had the (accidental) ability to fall back on the bank of mum and dad when things didn't go according to plan. In other words, by comparison with authentic working class people (who sold their labour power to the wealthy) and risked everything in their pursuit of a decent and fair society, they were quite privileged. Obviously, this contrast didn't make those people bad or manipulative, they were simply seeking a better world, but they operated under circumstances quite different from someone dragged up on a tough estate with few economic or social advantages. i was always uncomfortable about that division. Whenever i raised it in conversation, the academics 'explained' that the overwhelming majority of people sold their labour to the boss class and were thus 'working class' by definition, and that my concerns were sort of divisive if not irrational. i could see their (usually cleverly put) points. But that feeling has never really deserted me. These days cynicism means that i quite often view self selecting leaderships of the working class with trepidation..

Where this leads in relation to Rayner i'm not sure. Her background, so obviously working class, has probably led to her becoming a target for class prejudice amongst a certain sector of society who despise her very existence as a 'successful' Labour politician. But surely the truth is that she has been seriously contaminated by the (inevitable?) swirling sparkling temptations of cash and power and entitlement which are alive and kicking in the Labour Party environment. i reckon the bigger picture remains - the Labour Party never was (or could become) a suitable vehicle for transforming the world.

That's pure gaslighting they were doing. I'm gonna call it classlighting.

Also it's great to see you posting.

 

[redcogs]

That's pure gaslighting they were doing. I'm gonna call it classlighting.

Also it's great to see you posting.

Why thank you Dystopiary. it is good to feel well enough for the occasional contribution. Great to see its still the same Urban as ever it was - a few different names in and among, but a strong social and economic justice theme still taking precedence.

 

[weltweit]

Talking to a couple who expressed sorrow that Rayner has resigned.

They were a bit taken aback by my point which was that she should have determined what the correct tax was (By taking proper advice) and should have paid it. No sympathy from me.

 

[Wilf]

She's clearly a canny operator and should have known how this would play out. Suppose that's the thing about entitlement, it overrides.common sense - even in someone who has experienced a previous public kicking over her housing arrangements.

Fwiw, I have a lot more sympathy with her over the first one, from what I can remember about it.

 

[locallondoner]

Talking to a couple who expressed sorrow that Rayner has resigned.

They were a bit taken aback by my point which was that she should have determined what the correct tax was (By taking proper advice) and should have paid it. No sympathy from me.

I am sorry she has gone, but she should have taken proper advice, yes

 

[Medicate]

Ironic that Rayner didn't take tax advice so breached the ethical code of conduct, whereas, according to recent reports, Farage did take tax advice and took advantage of tax loopholes, but that's ok.

 

[MSW]

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Ironic that Rayner didn't take tax advice so breached the ethical code of conduct, whereas, according to recent reports, Farage did take tax advice and took advantage of tax loopholes, but that's ok.

I’d put that down to different levels of Intelligence.

One was clever enough to ask an expert and, according to reports, played the system and stayed within rules the other not.

Says it all really

One of them is stupid and the other is a smart arse. Neither approach is a good model. However, in respect of the smart arse, I guess his actions were no different to Rayners earlier actions.

A simple guide to the Angela Rayner house row

Labour's deputy leader has been embroiled in a row over her living arrangements before she was an MP.

www.bbc.co.uk

What clear is they both like to avoid paying Tax, it’s just than one of them is better at it.

 

[PTK]

I’d put that down to different levels of Intelligence.

What is your excuse for making such a stupid comment?

 

[Johnny Vodka]

I was just reminded on social media of the sorry episode where she had a Palestinian guy (who IIRC had many of his family murdered) forcibly removed from an event she was speaking at.

 

[PTK]

I was just reminded on social media of the sorry episode where she had a Palestinian guy (who IIRC had many of his family murdered) forcibly removed from an event she was speaking at.

She says that she felt threatened, but she had actually met the man on an earlier occasion, before the war started, and made sympathetic noises.

 

[teqniq]

I was just reminded on social media of the sorry episode where she had a Palestinian guy (who IIRC had many of his family murdered) forcibly removed from an event she was speaking at.

Owen Jones has reminded people of that on Twitter today. Was and is completely scummy behaviour.

 

[Terraform]

Torygraph saying Emily Thornberry planning to run as deputy leader.

 

[The39thStep]

Torygraph saying Emily Thornberry planning to run as deputy leader.

Should finally sink the ship

 

[bluescreen]

Don't know how many of you righteous commenters are tax lawyers but tbh it's easy to be righteous if you're just reading the news.
No way can anyone condemn her for getting this wrong.
I'm not a tax lawyer but I used to be a conveyancing solicitor. I'd have referred this up as a difficult call.
She didn't use solicitors, and (heaven help us, here again we have deskilling) registered conveyancers can't be expected to know this sort of nuance.

She's been shafted. Simple as.

 

[weltweit]

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No way can anyone condemn her for getting this wrong.
I'm not a tax lawyer but I used to be a conveyancing solicitor. I'd have referred this up as a difficult call.

Her solicitor recommended that she take specialist tax advice. She didn't.
Then she had the cheek to argue that she had followed advice but the advice was faulty.
Finally, as the chief of the government's housing department she could easily have obtained advice there.

She's been shafted. Simple as.

She thought she could get away with paying the minimum stamp duty, she couldn't.

 

[MSW]

….

She's been shafted. Simple as.

Author of own downfall due to a failure to carry out due diligence - most people expect their MP to have the competence and ability to make the reigns decision let alone the deputy PM.

She was told that the advice she was given did not constitute expert tax advice and was accompanied by a suggestion that Tax advise be obtained then

She received a recommendation, that specific tax advice be obtained.

In addition, as we saw in May she was fully capable of getting expert Tax advice.

What’s funny is Angela believes and has said Tax Avoidance cost lives plus a shed load of other things (quite rightly) criticising those who fail to pay the correct tax.

She thought she could get away with it or is incompetent

 

[bluescreen]

Her solicitor recommended that she take specialist tax advice. She didn't.

Admittedly I've been skimming the news, but can you link to that? I didn't know she had a solicitor advising her.

 

[Terraform]

That's utter shite AI chav stereotyping stuff

It’s my current bloody earworm though.

 

[Wilf]

Torygraph saying Emily Thornberry planning to run as deputy leader.

Ah well, she'll take all the England flags down.

 

[Wilf]

Don't know how many of you righteous commenters are tax lawyers but tbh it's easy to be righteous if you're just reading the news.
No way can anyone condemn her for getting this wrong.
I'm not a tax lawyer but I used to be a conveyancing solicitor. I'd have referred this up as a difficult call.
She didn't use solicitors, and (heaven help us, here again we have deskilling) registered conveyancers can't be expected to know this sort of nuance.

She's been shafted. Simple as.

Firstly, she has previous over her capital gains tax on an earlier property. So you'd think she'd be a bit more careful. And secondly, she's the housing minister, exactly the person who might be at the very top of the People Who Should Know About Stamp Duty List. She knew full well that her living arrangements, with the 'nested' house and a grace and favour flat in London, would make buying her Brighton mansion complicated, tax wise.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Having three homes when you're the housing minister and you know full well the desperate state of the housing crisis is bad enough without the tax dodging tbh.

 

[platinumsage]

Having three homes when you're the housing minister and you know full well the desperate state of the housing crisis is bad enough without the tax dodging tbh.

People always rationalise this stuff to themselves though e.g. one wasn't hers and would have been lost if she lost her seat, one wasn't hers because of her disabled son and divorce proceedings meaning she was basically homeless and therefore perfectly justified in getting a small flat for her self in a deprived seaside town.