Angela Rayner's time is up

[xenon]

Ok, what's the maximum you can earn and still be working class?

Remember, that depends on whether you own a bucket or sommat.

 

[xenon]

Although yes, being deputy PM does somewhat stretch the definition of working class....

 

[MSW]

…

Although yes, being deputy PM does somewhat stretch the definition of working class....

Being in a position to afford a stamp duty bill of 70K which is close to twice the average salary of voters, is certainly not typically Working Class and, no doubt being able to lose 2 of your 3 jobs and keep living their is probably not working class either.

 

[Maggot]

Attila the Stockbroker sums up exactly how I feel about this:

Angela Rayner's resigned. Yes, she appears to have made a serious error of judgement. Yes, she's deputy prime minister in what is in my opinion the most disappointing Labour government in my lifetime.
But her hounding by a right wing press whose billionaire owners dodge ludicrous amounts of tax as a matter of course and ignore far more reprehensible financial activities pursued by people whose politics they promote is hypocritical and disgusting. Just today, it has been revealed that Farage uses a private company to pay less tax on his media earnings.
All decency, all intelligence, all compassion have been leeched from British politics. We're a banana republic with a king. Rayner, to me, is basically a woman with a good heart who wants to do her best for people from the same background she rose from - and has had the misfortune to try and do that at the very worst period in modern political history.
The ultimate irony of our age is that many of the people who cheer her downfall the loudest will be people living in a similar situation to where she began, sneering at someone who was once one of their own while cheering the tax-avoiding, Barbour-wearing, billionaire-backed Farage.
I did my best to win them over for a long time, but I have walked away from such people now.

 

[planetgeli]

I'm only shocked that some of you are shocked that a Labour MP, let alone the DL, could act in state interests and not working class interests. Once you get in that structure, and the deeper you get in that structure, the trappings of power take over. And there are many facets. It's not even just the need to keep power.

I was once told an interesting story by a leftie journalist. Proper leftie, which is why he now works for some obscure internet news site. Rather than the BBC and ITV he did work for. Anyway, I'll retell it badly and maybe you won't get it, but I saw what he meant. And it is quite simple. He'd interviewed some top Tory, when they were in power. He turned up with all sorts of good intentions. Hammer the bastard.

From the moment he was walked in the HoC, he felt everything was against him. Not just the weight of the governing party. The literal architecture, both of the building and the way it is run. It screams Establishment. And it's hard not to get seduced.* (He didn't cave in btw, but thought/felt any power he had being sapped away by how everything ran.)

And that's how it works. That's why every Labour MP who enters solidly working class with the best of intentions has it milked out of them. Call them craven idiots. But the idiocy is thinking you can beat 200 years of Establishment by playing by their rules. They have all parliamentary bases covered.


*I have seriously simplified the story for those who find more than two sentences tl;dr

 

[Petcha]

Attila the Stockbroker sums up exactly how I feel about this:

Sorry, I'm still struggling with how some people on here can excuse what she did. If this was a male Tory minister would you be so forgiving?

 

[Maggot]

Sorry, I'm still struggling with how some people on here can excuse what she did. If this was a male Tory minister would you be so forgiving?

It was obviously a mistake rather than some ploy. She knows how much scrutiny she is under and would not try anything dodgy.

 

[ska invita]

A couple of interesting points from Twitter


Sounds correct.

This might be a bit overstated but might be truth in it

 

[nagapie]

Attila the Stockbroker sums up exactly how I feel about this:

Attilla has lost the plot , woman with a good heart who supports genocide, welfare cuts and cutting disability support. So the bar is now better than Farage?

 

[planetgeli]

So the bar is now better than Farage?

Totally. Vote Labour to keep Farage out.

It was obviously a mistake rather than some ploy. She knows how much scrutiny she is under and would not try anything dodgy.

Yep. Same with all those Tories who got caught.

 

[MSW]

Yep. Same with all those Tories who got caught.

Interestingly, the number of Labour MP’s sent to jail since Tony became MP is significantly higher than the Tories

 

[xenon]

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Being in a position to afford a stamp duty bill of 70K which is close to twice the average salary of voters, is certainly not typically Working Class and, no doubt being able to lose 2 of your 3 jobs and keep living their is probably not working class either.

Attila the Stockbroker sums up exactly how I feel about this:

Yep, agree.

 

[planetgeli]

Interestingly, the number of Labour MP’s sent to jail since Tony became MP is significantly higher than the Tories

This is pretty meaningless to me. Jail doesn't work for hardly anyone, so I don't believe in sending people to jail.

As platinumsage says, you should hang all MPs from lamp posts.

I'm pretty sure that's correct.

 

[xenon]

Sorry, I'm still struggling with how some people on here can excuse what she did. If this was a male Tory minister would you be so forgiving?

She probably had to go, given she has been all about calling out sleaze but I don't think she set about to deliberately avoid paying stamp duty. There have been Tory MPs who've done far worse and not resigned.

 

[MSW]

It was obviously a mistake rather than some ploy. She knows how much scrutiny she is under and would not try anything dodgy.

IMO most people will expect their £80,000 a year MP to have the Competence and Ability to do everything reasonably possible to ensure correct decisions are reached. Angie choose to ignore a suggestion and a second recommendation to investigate her position further yet she still got it wrong.

I do accept there were 40,000 other reasons for her to ignore the suggestion and recommendation

 

[pbsmooth]

It's no fucking derail, it's about Rayner. Her actual record, supporting Israel's genocide.

They had a vote on whether they supported genocide or not and she voted yes? That didn’t happen did it…

It’s so childish. She’s a “genocide supporter”. This is the crap Musk and Trump have brought to politics. Just say you think she should have been part of a Gov that did more to stop what was happening in Palestine.

 

[Elpenor]

Rayner can be hounded out of office by a right wing press AND no longer working class by virtue of being an MP / deputy prime minister AND have been careless enough to have to go anyway all at the same time.

 

[PTK]

They had a vote on whether they supported genocide or not and she voted yes? That didn’t happen did it…

It’s so childish. She’s a “genocide supporter”. This is the crap Musk and Trump have brought to politics. Just say you think she should have been part of a Gov that did more to stop what was happening in Palestine.

"more to stop"? The government of the UK is actively aiding the genocide in the Gaza Strip.

 

[Karl Masks]

Why did nnone of her colleagues, some of whom must have known what was happening, advise her better? Seems unlikely to me that she hadn't talked about this with her colleagues at all

 

[xenon]

Why did nnone of her colleagues, some of whom must have known what was happening, advise her better? Seems unlikely to me that she hadn't talked about this with her colleagues at all

Do you discuss all your financial arrangements in great detail with your colleagues?

 

[Elpenor]

Do you discuss all your financial arrangements in great detail with your colleagues?

these people are her rivals too not just colleagues

 

[Artaxerxes]

Why did nnone of her colleagues, some of whom must have known what was happening, advise her better? Seems unlikely to me that she hadn't talked about this with her colleagues at all

Becuase her colleagues are incompetent fucking grifters.

Plus how closely do you actually talk about your tax arrangements with your co-workers? Fuck me I'd quit if I had to hear someone give me the long speech about that shit.

 

[xenon]

On a side note, I spose this is exemplary of there being legal specialisms. Not that the answers are hard to find if you know what you're looking for but knowing what questions to ask your client to obtain a fullsom and precise picture of your client's situation. Hence why conveyencers have disclaimers to the effect if there's anything non straight forward about your property interests, it's on you to declare it and seek further advice. Hence companies having whole legal departments if they're into skirting around the law.

/ captain obvious.

 

[Elpenor]

Becuase her colleagues are incompetent fucking grifters.

Plus how closely do you actually talk about your tax arrangements with your co-workers? Fuck me I'd quit if I had to hear someone give me the long speech about that shit.

Tax doesn't have to be taxing

 

[Wilf]

They had a vote on whether they supported genocide or not and she voted yes? That didn’t happen did it…

It’s so childish. She’s a “genocide supporter”. This is the crap Musk and Trump have brought to politics. Just say you think she should have been part of a Gov that did more to stop what was happening in Palestine.

If it's votes you want...

Is Angela Rayner A War Criminal?

View the voting record for Angela Rayner regarding the ongoing Palestinian Genocide.

www.mpwarcrimes.co.uk

 

[Wilf]

It was obviously a mistake rather than some ploy. She knows how much scrutiny she is under and would not try anything dodgy.

Really? A housing minister who is well aware of the different levels of CGT... an MP who is well aware of the controversies about flipping properties... a politician who was already the centre of a scandal on capital gains tax over the sale of a house... who then sold her stake in the family house to her son's medical negligence trust to release money to allow her to buy a 3rd home... an everyday tale of political folk!

 

[Petcha]

I do actually feel for David Lammy. The Foreign Office is the plum job in government and I think he was actually reasonably good at it. Cooper's an effective politician though so let's see how that goes. The conflict of interest between her and her husband's careers gets ever more tougher. Wonder how Ed will address this on Monday on GMB.

 

[Humberto]

The new home secretary apparently about taking the hard line further on immigration.

 

[Wilf]

Why did nnone of her colleagues, some of whom must have known what was happening, advise her better? Seems unlikely to me that she hadn't talked about this with her colleagues at all

Yeah, flipping houses and getting the best tax deal on them is a topic I'd expect there to be quite a lot of expertise in the Commons about.

 

[Serge Forward]

I do actually feel for David Lammy. The Foreign Office is the plum job in government and I think he was actually reasonably good at it. Cooper's an effective politician though so let's see how that goes. The conflict of interest between her and her husband's careers gets ever more tougher. Wonder how Ed will address this on Monday on GMB.

Piss taker.