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And next, Syria?

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by Idris2002, Feb 18, 2011.

  1. TomUS

    TomUS non-resident

    This is unusual.
    US forces repel attack on Syrian allies
     
  2. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    Given what has been happening between the SDF and the regime recently, it is definately odd. Also it does beg the question of what would happen if a certain someone else tried the same sort of attack on "allied Kurdish and Arab fighters" near Manbij.
     
  3. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

  4. copliker

    copliker ...

    Opinion | Living Under Assad’s Siege

     
  5. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    These people are beyond disgusting.
     
  6. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Siegewatch's December 2017 report (they are published quarterly):

    The financial exploitation of those they starve is the norm.
     
  7. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee

    Regime has downed an Israeli F-16 that was attacking Iranian targets within Syria. Crew reported safe.

    Syria war: Israeli fighter jet crashes under Syria fire, military says
    Israel jet crashes amid Syrian fire - army

    Reported as a response to an Iranian UAV crossing into Israeli airspace. With a straight face they complain about this as an infringement of their sovereignty.
     
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  8. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    Some of the commentary from the IDF over this has been hilarious.
     
  9. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    New edition of Burning Country being published on 20th with a new 'long' chapter on events since 2015.

    A new edition of our book Burning Country: Syrians in Revolution and War will be released on February 20th. It contains a new long chapter called Syria Dismantled, which attempts to update the situation from the summer of 2015 to the present. It covers the stages of defeat through Daraya to Aleppo, the Russian assault and Iran’s militia surge, and the sectarian cleansing, and the PYD’s expansion, and Turkey’s intervention… Of course it’s already out of date.

    But buy it, do, and ask your library to stock it. In order to understand the current situation (globally, not just in Syria), it’s necessary to understand how the democratic revolution started – and how the counter-revolution’s response sparked an endless series of wars. More importantly, our book does its best to give voice to Syrians themselves, those who dared to create new possibilities, and who paid an unfathomable price.
     
  10. likesfish

    likesfish chanelling mike from spaced

  11. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee

    Observant folk might have noticed the tendency of these guys to dress hostages and execution victims in orange jumpsuits.

    If you can figure out exactly where they might have got this idea from, and how the source of it was a great motivational and recruitment tool for ISIS, you might then consider how subjecting them to clandestine justice might not be a wholly great idea.
     
  12. likesfish

    likesfish chanelling mike from spaced


    Putting them on the tarmac and putting a round in their back and leaving the bodies for carrion seems a fitting end :mad:
     
  13. Mordi

    Mordi Nihilist against nothing

    Some commentary I've seen on this stresses that Syria and Israel are officially still at war with each other. So there really is a balance to be struck in terms of escalation.

    I guess the Israeli military/government thought they could keep up regular bombing raids without loss or they consider it worth the risk.
     
  14. Don Troooomp

    Don Troooomp Member

    Starting with the Israelis.
    They moan about a warplane being shot down but hardly mention it was killing people in a country they aren't at war with and came down in illegally occupied land.

    To the general mess in Syria.
    This pig's ear is the result of international intervention on a massive scale. I don't like Assad and what he gets up to but the various sides entering the war have made things a lot worse than they ever would have been. The refugee crisis is being handled as an invasion of Europe by the idiot right but it's really a European (Russian, American and a few others) caused problem. Any country that took part in the war, thus contributing to the damage and human misery is, at least in my view, directly responsible for the losses and should provide all genuine refugees with housing and an income that would give them the same lifestyle they lost.
    A dose of responsibility, that including trials for those who ordered attacks in a country the UK and others are not at war with, is essential in stopping future similar stupidity. Wars are always bad news but to bomb a people who are no danger to the attacking country is just being a bastard. There are a whole bunch of politicians out there who deserve a seat in the dock of a war crimes trial.
     
  15. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    What attacks? List them.
     
  16. Geri

    Geri wasn't born to follow

    Have you ever asked any refugees about the reasons they left Syria?
     
  17. Don Troooomp

    Don Troooomp Member

    I'm in the sad position of not having had the chance to speak to any Syrian refugees so I have to guess their reasons, but Russia, the US and several other countries including the UK bombing the merry shit out of them is likely to be high on the list. Not forgetting ISIS bastards, the Syrian government, Israel and 'moderate' rebels killing piles of people.
    Purely a guess, but I'd want to get out if that lot were killing as many people as they could and had just bombed the crap out of my town.

    If those who have been lucky enough to get first hand stories from refugees would be kind enough to post with their experiences, i'd love to know if I'm right or not.
     
  18. Don Troooomp

    Don Troooomp Member

    How many bombs has UK dropped in 2017?

    That's just the UK - I'll start on Israel, The US and Russia if you really need me to, then move on to other players.
     
  19. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    They were asked. The overwhelming response was that it is bombing by the Syrian regime that drove them out of Syria. The UK and US bombing has been utterly peripheral in Syria.


    Please do. Numbers/percentages and that sort of thing as well please.
     
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  20. Don Troooomp

    Don Troooomp Member

    Your link is a little misleading as it was written by an anti Assad group.
    That in no way supports Assad, but the claims from that group ignore interventions from other powers, blaming ALL the troubles on Assad.

    The Syria Campaign | HuffPost

    It's true Assad is a dictator with very nasty tendencies, but foreign interference caused many of today's problems, not just Assad. Imagine if Russia, the US and all the others had stayed out of it, Assad would probably have been forced out by now and there would probably have been no refugee crisis, that and ISIS would never have arisen without the invasion of Iraq and foreign interference in Syria.

    This begs a very difficult question - Is it better to leave Assad in power, probably seeing him killing quite a lot of people, or support extremist groups who are trying to get rid of him but causing and prolonging a war that's killing far more people, destroying the country, destabilising the region, and bringing a massive and miserable refugee crisis?

    Tough question, but that's the long and the short of it - Snipers or a drone strike excluded.
    Let's be honest, if the US really wanted Assad removed, they could do it tomorrow morning while he was eating breakfast.
     
  21. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Can you outline this interference? And how it caused the assad regime to murder and torture opposition syrians in 2011 whilst quite openly helping to sectarianise the conflict. Let's have a look at your chronology.
     
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  22. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Note - no syrians were involved or hurt in the writing of this post.
     
  23. Don Troooomp

    Don Troooomp Member

    An interesting comment, but was that about my post or the link?
    The Syria campaign deserves a looking at because they claim to be disinterested politically but the initial evidence suggests there may be more to them.
    I don't want to support or condemn until I have reasonable evidence either way so I will fall silent about them until I get the chance to take a closer look, hopefully at the weekend.
     
  24. HoratioCuthbert

    HoratioCuthbert The left is a threat to organic WC solidarity

    [QUOTE="Don Troooomp, post: 15436993, member: 75608]

    If those who have been lucky enough to get first hand stories from refugees would be kind enough to post with their experiences, i'd love to know if I'm right or not.[/QUOTE]
    Luck is needed? Syrians have made extensive use of social media, mainstream media, have written books etc to get these stories out. In my experience people like yourself just have no interest in hearing them.
     
  25. Don Troooomp

    Don Troooomp Member

    Luck is needed? Syrians have made extensive use of social media, mainstream media, have written books etc to get these stories out. In my experience people like yourself just have no interest in hearing them.[/QUOTE]

    Exactly the opposite.
    I'm most concerned about Syrian refugees and the mess that's going on over there, and would love to hear first hand, unprepared accounts of what life is like in that country and why so many are getting out.
    Books and TV programs can be edited and guided to suit the point of view aimed at by the producer but one on one experience tends, in my experience, provides a far better and much more personal picture of reality.
    I had a long conversation with some guys from Afghanistan a couple of months ago, getting so much more than the sanitised for TV version of what their lives in that country were really like.

    You just have to see the news stories about refugees to see what I mean. When a station such as Fox shows footage, the refugees are all male, mostly young, and very loud.
    A BBC documentary showed mostly families and tales of family misery.
    The reality is likely some of both but I can't get that from prepared script, hence the hope of finding people with one on one real experience.
     
  26. HoratioCuthbert

    HoratioCuthbert The left is a threat to organic WC solidarity

    You maybe need to take that up with the Fox/BBC news addicts your pre-prepared statement was intended for ;)

    Any thoughts on Assad's use of force fae June 2011 onwards yet? Are you familiar with the term Shabiha for example, it's history and current use?
     
  27. Don Troooomp

    Don Troooomp Member

    I dislike anyone who uses force against people who can't resist, worse when it comes to torture, government sponsored murder and hit squads. That should be plenty for you to get a grip on my opinion of Assad, and all without swearing :D
    My disdain for him doesn't mean I support the movement to get rid of him because their ranks are filled with people just as bad, maybe worse when we look at ISIS and similar.
    My general knowledge is lacking, hence my interest in talking to people about the situation over there.
     
  28. Don Troooomp

    Don Troooomp Member

    As a note, and much of the reason I would like to get views from people with first hand experience, who is most prominent with claims of Assad's chemical weapons (WMD?), and who makes the claims about death squads?

    The US?
    U.S. Accuses Syria of New Chemical Weapons Use

    Israel?
    Israel said to fear Assad chemical weapons spillover into Golan Heights

    How about the death squads? Oops, the Daily mail.
    Syria massacre: The steroid-mad 'Ghost' killers who keep Assad in power | Daily Mail Online

    These secretive death squads are on Youtube


    This lot claim the CIA are behind the death squads - Lets face it, the CIA have a bit of a history of that sort of thing.
    Syria: 'CIA death squads behind Syria bloodbath' | Pambazuka News

    More of the same here
    https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/240801911296558475/

    and so on.

    The news is warped and twisted to suit whoever is writing or paying for the news so can't be trusted (Especially the Daily Mail), so I would like to know the truth before I offer too much comment.
    Saying that, I tend to come down on the side of Assad using the 'ghosts', but that isn't to deny the CIA trained them, as that group has done with so many sets of bastards before Assad's lot.

    Of course, you might want to believe everything you hear as long as it suits your position, but I prefer pravda.
     
  29. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    One avenue for the revolution that was already narrowly closing now appears to have definitively been slammed shut - if true, rather than PYD trying to put pressure on the regime to do so. I wonder what the regime's price would be?

    Note also the way the PYD has morphed into 'kurds' here.

    Syrian Kurdish official: deal for Syrian army to enter Afrin

     
  30. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    This is doing the rounds as the regime demands:

    demands.jpg
     
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