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And next, Syria?

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by Idris2002, Feb 18, 2011.

  1. Casually Red

    Casually Red tomorrow belongs to me

    You want me to provide evidence there are thousands of Islamic extremists locked up in jails in Syria ? :D:D
     
  2. copliker

    copliker ...

    More Casually Brown lies via whatever joos joos joos loon youtube channel he has wired into his veins.

    MSF operates 4 facilities directly in Syria, and supports about 150 more across the country. The regime denies access to government controlled areas and supply convoys are routinely ransacked at checkpoints. They cannot operate in IS areas, and their facilities are hit by airstrikes regularly.

    Syria: Al Quds hospital death toll rises to 55
    Airstrikes destroy MSF hospital in Syria and leave 13 people dead
    Syria conflict: Air strike destroys MSF-supported hospital - BBC News


    Remarkably, MSF staff (who aren't in Syria) responded to April's gas attack (which didn't happen, false flag, child actors etc) at Khan Sheikoun.

     
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  3. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    You made the claim liarboy, you provide a credible source for it.
     
  4. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Excellent piece from Michael Karajdis - too late for some, too long for some as well probably:

    US vs Free Syrian Army vs Jabhat al-Nusra (and ISIS): History of a hidden three-way conflict

     
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  5. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On TCF Strengthened by War, Hezbollah Displays Regional Power
    Goes over HA's growing strengths and also limitations. Operating more as a smaller peer regional player these days than an Iranian subordinate.
     
  6. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi's Blog Documents of the al-Qasimiya Court in West Aleppo Countryside: Translation and Analysis
    Points out Zinki split from HTS recently.

    The distinction between Salafi-Jihadists and groups proper with a high Salafist membership who are involved in Jihad isn't a fine one. Hassan Hassan made a similar point on Jaish al Islam, a radical clearly Salafist group but with delayed vision of the Caliphate (acceptable to the Gulfies) and no evident focus on the "Far Enemy".

    Interesting Al-Tamimi disagrees with Lister on Zinki's historic tendency to criminal behaviour. Heller wrote a long article a while ago saying if the revolt was going to be supported it was necessary to suck it up and go with the likes of Zinki. There being a shortage of spotless heroic martyrs in love with western democracy in Idlib who actually could fight. Some of the more secular rebel groupings we supported also had poor records when it comes to governance, human rights, criminality. Parts of the SRF that once pushed IS back across East Aleppo Province come to mind.

    Supporting such folk was always a hard thing to sell to a Western public easily scared by even flows of innocent Syrian refugees. Not that the Assad's clan continued reign will be without negative security consequences. That's liable to be a far bigger problem than the shaky young democracy in Baghdad.
     
  7. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On MEI The Danger of Conflict Between the Syrian Regime and Y.P.G.
    Afrin could be vulnerable but I think a regime-PKK clash is not inevitable as Assad might treat them as a power broker in Eastern Syria and maintain their hudna. Taking a Pentagon backed protectorate in Eastern Rojava head on would be a prohibitively expensive proposition. Damascus tolerating a little autonomy and undermining that insidiously while nibbling at the edges would be much more parsimonious. Trump can probably be suckered into this by his new chum Putin. Iran though will want to steadily squeeze the US out and won't take the PKK snuggling up to the Gulfies well. The PKK has proved rather agile in these things and will probably keep its options open.
     
  8. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On Bloomberg Confident Assad Sabotages Putin’s Outreach to Trump in Syria
    A basic problem, Assad isn't really interested in compromise as anything other than a tactical ruse. As he's repeatedly said he'll reconquer all his family's lands. The Russians have only a small presence on the ground and really can't control him let alone the Iranians they both increasingly rely on for offensive manpower. The stupid thing here is DC continuing to believe Russia really holds the reins in Syria.
     
  9. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On Reuters Exclusive: Russian losses in Syria jump in 2017, Reuters estimates show
    Note the age and epic slimming, Belorechensk is an old Cossack settlement.
     
  10. Casually Red

    Casually Red tomorrow belongs to me

    I think the pkk openly courting the Saudis will come back to haunt them big style . Even worse than being backed by the yanks . For a Marxist , feminist anti imperialist outfit these aren't good clothes to be wearing . Goes without saying both backers not only would happily burn them once theyve served their purpose, they'll actively seek to . Hamas fucked up big time in this conflict by backing the wrong horse . It'll happen again here.
     
  11. camouflage

    camouflage supermalt enthusiast

    MSF haven't made any claims regarding who attacked those facilities, and you're using publications that are biased to back up your claims, neither the Guardian nor the BBC can be considered impartial in the conflict. I hope the Syrian government or the Russians aren't the ones responsible for the attacks, but your post here is basically meaningless. The MSF link speaks for itself and doesn't lend any particular support to your opinion.
     
  12. copliker

    copliker ...

    Syria: Hospitals hit repeatedly by Russian and Syrian airstrikes, condemning hundreds of wounded to certain death


    I know what the response to this will be as well. I don't think there's any seam of idiocy that loons like this won't mine, and for some reason I suspect that they're perfectly ok with those outlets when they report on MSF facilities that have been bombed by the US in Afghanistan or by the Saudi coalition in Yemen.
     
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  13. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    Pretty much. They also like to conveniently 'forget' or overlook the fact that the regime was a willing participant in the US's extraordinary rendition program. This has also been done many times before and camouflage has previously described the MSF reports as 'compelling'. Not so much compelling for the people on the receiving end as terminal.
     
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  14. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    From The Syria Institute TSI Syria Update: August 2, 2017
    I'd guess "international parties" means the Russians.
     
  15. camouflage

    camouflage supermalt enthusiast

    12 days after Kunduz, MSF come out and say this. Yup... makes sense.:(
     
  16. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On ISW Iran and Al Qaeda Exploit Syria Ceasefire
    ISW unhappy with South Western de-escalation zone.
     
  17. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On CNN First on CNN: Russia & Syrian regime seeking to poach US-backed fighters
    Note the R+6's desire for a Sunni Arab holding force out in the East. The regime does have supporters from this area but coopting rebels who sometimes have effectively become Jordanian/US anti-IS mercenary forces would make sense.

    The US reliance on Kurds in Syria with their drawbacks as a holding force in Arab territory has been criticised but they are at least mostly Syrian, Arabic speaking and with a fairly respectable record in governance. The R+6's equivalent are the Iranian's Shia militias that make up a large part of Damascus's offensive capability. Judging by casualties up Palmyra way these are heavily Afghan Hazara, Lebanese and Iraqi. The former are Dari dialect speaking and really alien. As for the latter some tribes from the Syrian East sent men to fight in the early Iraqi insurgency and aren't exactly friends of the new Rafida regime in Baghdad. Bearing in mind the IRGC trained Iraqi Badr Brigade is currently doing an awful job holding mixed Diyala in Eastern Iraq these militia men would be very unsuitable occupiers.
     
  18. copliker

    copliker ...

    Previously...on Loonosphere, Russia was a baddie and the headchoppers were plucky anti-imperialist heroes.

    Death of Chechen Leader - Indymedia Ireland

    32csm allahu akbar 2.jpg

    I'm sure spammer of indymedia ireland "Barry" is known to a few people here.

    casually barry indymedia.jpg

    ("Barry" and co are now the thin loon line - Putinbots and 110% beardfighters)
     
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  19. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On War On The Rocks MAKING SENSE OF TURKEY’S SYRIA STRATEGY: A ‘TURKISH TRAGEDY’ IN THE MAKING
    Looks at the strategic dilemma the Turks have got themselves into in Syria.
     
  20. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

  21. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On BuzzFeedNews The US Is Far More Deeply Involved In Syria Than You Know
    Trump's unleashing of the Pentagon making him friends in Rojava.

    In the Obama era the Pentagon only admitted to having a few hundred guys on the ground. Article has 2K US Army Rangers and Marines now deployed there in addition to Special Forces. Still much smaller than the US deployment in Iraq currently but a big increase.
     
  22. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi's blog Syria: Assessing the CIA Program
    Points to AQ's routing of the SRF in Idlib back in 2014 as a very worrying sign.

    In retrospect the subsequent advance of Jaish al Fateh to take Idlib city and threaten Latakia in 2015 is what I'd pick as a tipping point. Celebrated as providing leverage over Assad by some commentators it in fact led the IRGC to bring the Russians in and seriously compromised the revolt. The CIA program was unable to separate more moderate groups from Salafi-Jihadists the US obsessed on elsewhere. Al-Tamimi's contention that the program had misguided goals is correct; Assad was never going to compromise. It either needed to aim at his ouster or deescalation.
     
  23. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On Syria Direct In displacement camp along Syrian border, ‘the strong devour the weak’ as rule of law fades
     
  24. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On IRINNews Black flags over Idlib: The jihadi power grab in northwestern Syria
    Lund on Idlib. Now AQ dominated, still very hostile to Assad, losing the international funding that is the basis of its war economy with the regime more liable to nibble at it than attempt to swallow it whole. Some Hellish combination of Gaza and noughties Chechnya probably haunted by a US drone war.
     
  25. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On IRINNews Black flags over Idlib: The jihadi power grab in northwestern Syria
    Lund on Idlib. Now AQ dominated, still very hostile to Assad, losing the international funding that is the basis of its war economy with the regime more liable to nibble at it than attempt to swallow it whole. Like Heller he does not see it ending well.

    Imagine a Hellish combination of Gaza and noughties Chechnya perhaps haunted by a US drone war.
     
  26. CrabbedOne

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  27. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    From The Washington Institute Not Money Alone: The Challenges of Syrian Reconstruction
    Bashar really did create perfect revolutionary conditions. Most urban Syrians who rose were rather surprised it happened. In contrast an often Islamist activist minority saw it as inevitable throwing off of a dismal Baathist tyranny gone sourly neoliberal.

    Balanche hopes Assad will address some of the structural problems that underpinned the revolt. Create a more decentralised Syria that's less run by the fiat out of the palace. He has Jazira residents yearning for the unfounded promises of 70s Syria when Syrian Baath aspirations still had a residual socialist tinge. Looking back to all those terribly managed irrigation projects of the last century in an era of 21st century droughts. That the long neglect of poor and provincial areas under a "modernising" Bashar Assad will be reversed.

    Assad isn't stupid and might even realise he made awful mistakes that led to the revolt but this transformation seems unlikely to me as he's both stubborn and trapped. He'll have to consolidate his support in the reconstruction process which will inevitably be exploited to feather the nests of loyalist elite. You can already see this taking place in areas like Homs and Aleppo. The focus is on rebuilding areas of regime support and often purging wrecked rebel ghettos of the unreliable. The new generation of militia warlords get a license to predate on the population once confined to senior SAA officers. State assets are steadily being "privatised" to fund various security providers be they Syrian or foreign. Even the Caliphate's hydrocarbons the R+6 are currently grabbing back are being mortgaged out. There's not much alternative as the regime being broke can't buy the loyalty of power brokers any other way. The Assad's power base is also in need of reconstruction and that will be a long process.
     
  28. CrabbedOne

    CrabbedOne Walking sideways snippily

    On War On The Rocks A DEADLY DELUSION: WERE SYRIA’S REBELS EVER GOING TO DEFEAT THE JIHADISTS?
    Heller, who often advocated for the rebels himself.

    You can go back even before 2012 to find significant Salafi-Jihadi activity in Syria in some cases tolerated by the regime. Revenge for the Hama massacre and then the new Shia dominated state in Iraq meant the place had been well seeded and was embedded in the movement's imagination. The Sunni Arab rising just never had the unity of revolutionary political purpose and agility of something like IS or the PKK.
     
  29. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    I already read that and dismissed it in the first paragraph and subsequently didn't feel the need to post it here.

    It has never been in US interests to support or push for regime change as outlined in the linked article I've reposted from BA above.

    US vs Free Syrian Army vs Jabhat al-Nusra (and ISIS): History of a hidden three-way conflict[/QUOTE]
     
  30. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    North Homs activists decry ‘clear violation’ of ceasefire

     

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