Anarchy vs the Internet

Discussion in 'theory, philosophy & history' started by Toast Rider, Aug 14, 2018.

  1. Toast Rider

    Toast Rider Banned Banned

    How would the internet function in such a society?

    Specifically, since the internet is server based, and servers are owned by corporations found in countries, how would they be liberated from private capitalist ownership?
  2. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    In what such a society?

    Expropriation. Psychical. There is no other way. And anarchism in cone country doesn't really sound like anarchism at all.
  3. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Without music, life would be a mistake.

    Why would servers be different from railway tracks, electricity production, coffee plantations?
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  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    by any means necessary
  5. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    You can communicate and host content server less. Tor is a good example of this, and is where you'll find most of what the media refers to as the 'dark net or web'

    So I guess it would just go that way!

    Then there's P2P apps, such as what's used to share content on Torrent networks between a group of computers.

    Dark web - Wikipedia

    Darknet - Wikipedia
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  6. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    That the US military TOR?
  7. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

  8. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    The OP hasn't made that clear?

    People would just form their own networks providing there's electricity? Oceans might cause a problem mind.

    If everything's gone to shit, then, well, I guess it would go the same way as a zombie apocalypse.
  9. 8ball

    8ball Bar Bore Silver Medallist

    We'll just keep it in the cloud. :)
  10. yield

    yield zero

    Amazon, Oracle, Microsoft and Google then.
    Ought to be a public utility
  11. 8ball

    8ball Bar Bore Silver Medallist

  12. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    Servers aren't inherently owned by corporations. Your mobile phone can be a server if you like, just not a very good one. Plus you could feasibly build your own data centre. It's one of the more scalable things in terms of capital requirement.

    The bigger problem is the stuff you can't homebrew. Massive, fast, very high bandwidth international link connections, especially ones that go say, under the sea. This is where net neutrality really comes into it - transit, not destination.

    In the scenario where today's networks collapsed, you could find ways to route over any and all available networks, including wet string or pigeon, until your message gets to its destination. It's just not reliable, fast or efficient, or really anything you'd expect from the modern internet. Lots of the internet's current architecture relies upon centralised trust (like IP assignment, or DNS) but there's nothing that's really insurmountable.
  13. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Not sure collapse is what asking.
  14. Toast Rider

    Toast Rider Banned Banned

  15. Toast Rider

    Toast Rider Banned Banned

    Without servers how would you store data?
  16. Toast Rider

    Toast Rider Banned Banned

    in an anarchist society, obviously.

    I didn't say it would be one country
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  17. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    Engage brain then come back
  18. Toast Rider

    Toast Rider Banned Banned

    Better yet, instead of being a dick just explain what you meant. Not really difficult is it?
  19. editor

    editor hiraethified

    *Irritating typo in title fixed
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  20. Sweet FA

    Sweet FA ✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪


  21. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist slowtime

    if the question is 'how does xx function in an anarchist society' then ask yourself how it works now and what would be radically different about it in collective ownership.

    I know thats glib, but start from there surely
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  22. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    I shouldn't have to explain, it's not like I said anything difficult to understand. You asked two questions in the OP. Bamn is the answer to one of them. Work out which one it is, if you can. I won't hold my breath.
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2018
  23. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Irritating typo in reply fixed
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  24. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    They don't need to even be dealt with on the same basis. A server can be of any size, and there are many technologies that are designed to allow pulling of data from multiple servers for efficiency - bittorrent is the one that most people are familiar with.
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  25. xenon

    xenon A move in any direction

    Anyone can run a server. In the same way anyone can grow food.

    Yes with the obvious infrastructure, knowledge and means. Servers are not different in this regard. I’d ask about potable water, electricity etc before worrying about interweb stuff...
  26. Toast Rider

    Toast Rider Banned Banned

    Please reconsider
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  27. Toast Rider

    Toast Rider Banned Banned

    Do you envision collectively deciding what would be allowed on the system?

    How would taht work with stuff held elsewhere? Let's say community a has a server with local info, message boards, email and whatnot, and rules against posting revenge porn, but community b doesn't? How would you stop community a accessing or posting on community's b's site?
  28. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    The current system doesn't stop that.
  29. Shippou-Sensei

    Shippou-Sensei 4:1:2.5


    All the roads are owned by countries.
    How do we liberate the roads?
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  30. Supine

    Supine Rough Like Badger

    Who cares if servers are owned by capitalists? The vast vast majority of web pages are free to view anyway :)

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