'anarchy' or 'anarchism' - time to dump em?

[Ryazan]

IMO, its easiest to call yourself an anarchist, the negative connotations of "communist" and "socialist" are far worse and would definately carry over to the use of "libertarian communist" or "libertarian socialist". At least if you say you're an anarchist, its a talking point, which allows you to explain what you actually think.

Communist is too.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

to garf

oh god really?

 

[Chuck Wilson]

you tell him chuck, all these southern upstarts, drinking our women, stealing our marrows.

Always described myself as a working class anarchist. Never had any problems with that other than from politicos & anti-socials to be fair.

To taxamo: i lend you my copy of 'the haymarket tragedy'. Kinda puts things in perspective.

Sounds better than the ' levellers ' which reminds me of that terriible band or a load of very earnest people dressing up for some historical re-enactment display.

How about some thing that describes what the aim is , like er workers power?

 

[Taxamo Welf]

Communist is too.

yes but it goes one way; 'they tried that in russia and it didn't work'

Still, it gerally goes one way with @

anarchist; 'oh like the sex pistols?'

 

[rednblack]

chuck you cunt

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

oh god really?

who that too?

 

[Ryazan]

taxamo

If people are prepared to get beyond the assumptions and prejudices, and let someone explain their beliefs to them then it is worthwhile doing so.

*"Stalin bad". Well, your point is?*

 

[pilchardman]

Still, it gerally goes one way with @

anarchist; 'oh like the sex pistols?'

Howard Zinn said he told someone who stared at him and said: "But...that's impossible!"

 

[rednblack]

Still, it gerally goes one way with @

anarchist; 'oh like the sex pistols?'

not in my experience, and tbh i'd be surprised if it was in yours if you really think about it, seriously i bet its only crusties and punks who get that reaction

sure i've had people say what people can do what they want etc? but fuck it, just explain or better yet show them

 

[montevideo]

Sounds better than the ' levellers ' which reminds me of that terriible band or a load of very earnest people dressing up for some historical re-enactment display.

How about some thing that describes what the aim is , like er workers power?

you'd want the diggers then. Dirt first & all that.

I'm thinking of starting a group called 'class angst'. We're gonna ride bikes & stop all the ordinary working class people of london getting home from their jobs at wetherspoons by riding round central, london stopping the traffic. Lifestyle & anti-social, a bit of a spectacular. I'm on a fucking winner.

 

[Chuck Wilson]

chuck you cunt

Seriously though I think the activity of pro working class community politics like the IWCA or the HI is more important than finding a name for the politics. (actually the title Hackney IWCA probably sounds better than Hackney Independent but I suppose their is a copyright issue.) The fact is is that that sort of activity actually involves local workers where as fringe anarchist groups/lib com groups/left revo groups don't.

 

[pilchardman]

Class Actors.

 

[Chuck Wilson]

you'd want the diggers then. Dirt first & all that.

I'm thinking of starting a group called 'class angst'. We're gonna ride bikes & stop all the ordinary working class people of london getting home from their jobs at wetherspoons by riding round central, london stopping the traffic. Lifestyle & anti-social, a bit of a spectacular. I'm on a fucking winner.

On fucking drugs more like

 

[rednblack]

The fact is is that that sort of activity actually involves local workers where as fringe anarchist groups/lib com groups/left revo groups don't.

except those anarcho groups that do, like hsg...

 

[montevideo]

Seriously though I think the activity of pro working class community politics like the IWCA or the HI is more important than finding a name for the politics. (actually the title Hackney IWCA probably sounds better than Hackney Independent but I suppose their is a copyright issue.) The fact is is that that sort of activity actually involves local workers where as fringe anarchist groups/lib com groups/left revo groups don't.

hang on a minute chuck what if you live in hackney but work in say, harrow, or dagenham?

I'm up for ressurrectioning 'independent working peoples association', as long as we can throw bombs & make up our history, like.

Drugs? High on life mate, & our class!!!

 

[Chuck Wilson]

except those anarcho groups that do, like hsg...

Hibee's Socialist Group?

 

[Ryazan]

"high on our class"

You aren't working class though.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

i have no experience. i don't describe myself as anything, i am strictly trying to find out what it is i want to do, and when i know it, i'll read the label.


...apart from the other day when someone asked me where i stood on the politcal spectrum. I asked them first and they chortled and said something about being 'probably further to the left than most people here' (here being a students union booksale ). Turned out they were old labour after more questioning. Resisted the temptation to say i was in the BNP Should have.
I ended up saying a little about what i had come to believe, and they looke kind of politely worried. I borrowed a pound off them for a copy of 'The Reprieve' by Sartre. So it wasn't all bad.

 

[montevideo]

You aren't working class though.

I wish i was though. How cool would that be?

 

[Taxamo Welf]

On fucking drugs more like

OI! I am kicking you off my peasant small holding NOW!

 

[Ryazan]

I wish i was though. How cool would that be?

Cool?

 

[Chuck Wilson]

hang on a minute chuck what if you live in hackney but work in say, harrow, or dagenham?

I'm up for ressurrectioning 'independent working peoples association', as long as we can throw bombs & make up our history, like.

Drugs? High on life mate, & our class!!!

You would be able to join them both although you would have to spend your time dodging the cycle protest and the clowns .

If you want to put forward as an option throwing bombs and making up history I will have a word with the facilitator.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

I am the only prole in the village.

Yes Ryan, yes you are.

 

[Ryazan]

I live in a town. And I am not a marxist.

 

[montevideo]

You would be able to join them both although you would have to spend your time dodging the cycle protest and the clowns .

If you want to put forward as an option throwing bombs and making up history I will have a word with the facilitator.

put a motion forward at your local branch meeting. Have it passed by 3 quarters majority vote & then we'll think about it. Chair's decsion is final. You know the score.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

Cool?

yeah. I wanna be like common people. I wanna d what ever common people do. I wann sleep with common people... Common people... Like you

 

[Ryazan]

yeah. I wanna be like common people. I wanna d what ever common people do. I wann sleep with common people... Common people... Like you

"you laugh along with the common people, but don't realise they are laughing at you, with all the stupid things you do, cos you think poor is cool".

 

[Taxamo Welf]

'and' not 'with'.

psyche!

 

[Ryazan]

Pulp were ace.

 

[Ryazan]

'and' not 'with'.

psyche!

Despite the error, it sums you up quite nicely though don't it.