'Anarcho' punks - don't ya just hate 'em?

[Iam]

just that there's a few too many for comfort.

Welcome to the understanding, all-accepting future.

 

[Dubversion]

so lemme get this right. You're defending chico's right to refer to people as 'subhuman scum' and yet I'M acting like a cock?

OK if you insist

 

[chico enrico]

 

[sam/phallocrat]

great thread

 

[lizzieloo]

I saw some punks a while back, with 'Subhumans' painted on the backs of their leather jackets.

OH MY FUCKING CHRIST!

 

[lizzieloo]

what the fuck you on about? In Bloom's posting sounded about spot on to me.

the whole crusty ethos IS 'fuck you' - as principally demonstrated by adopting a fashion/lifestyle which puts them outside the bounds of most of society (invariably supported by mumsie and dadsy)

this was pretty well illustrated by the 'fuck yous' i heard directed towards the old women asking the stinkers to move off the steps of the church they were trying to get into this morning.

What's your problem Dubversion?

I've known loads of crusters, stayed in punk squats both here and around europe in early to mid 1980s and i think i'm pretty well qualified to describe the majority of them as wankers, losers and scumbags. Probably why these people are drawn to this subculture in the first place, no?

I'M REALLY OFFENDED BY THIS

I would have been in your 'crusty' box a few years back. If you'd have seen me sitting in a doorway maybe waiting for a bus, spoiling your view you'd have looked at me and judged me in the same way.

I have always gone out of my way to be polite to folk. even when I had funny hair and lived outside 'the acceptable norm'

maybe you get the 'fuck you' attitude cos you're a little bit blinkered????

Has it not occured to you that there are people in every walk of life that are twunts? Have you never seen a city boy in a suit being rude? or lads in shirts on a friday night? or rugby players? or old ladies at jumble sales?

Take of the blinkers, there is no need to be afraid

 

[northernhord]

Think not mate. I can guarantee you i have considerably more first hand experience of the anarcho-punk scene from 80-81 till the mid 1980s than you could ever hope of having had.

I dont think so mate, I was there and there big time

 

[northernhord]

Well Adolf Enrico your generalisations are unbelievable, what is it then mate are you an all cleaned up nowadays careerist who is embarresed of his past, you musta been a poser then back in your anarcho days, typical really.

 

[In Bloom]

I'M REALLY OFFENDED BY THIS...

Like you say, people from all walks of life can be rude, antisocial or generally unpleasant. But I don't think it's a coincidence that people feel intimidated by crusties or that things have a tendancy to get damaged or stolen at squat gigs.

I'll say it again, most crusties are, IME, sound. But the scene does tend to attract agressive, antisocial wankers, just like public school rubby tends to attract macho, antisocial toffs.

 

[In Bloom]

Adolf Enrico

Oh, for Christ's sake

 

[In Bloom]

Welcome to the understanding, all-accepting future.

Don't even get me started on hippies

 

[Blagsta]

Like you say, people from all walks of life can be rude, antisocial or generally unpleasant. But I don't think it's a coincidence that people feel intimidated by crusties or that things have a tendancy to get damaged or stolen at squat gigs.

I'll say it again, most crusties are, IME, sound. But the scene does tend to attract agressive, antisocial wankers, just like public school rubby tends to attract macho, antisocial toffs.

Every scene has agressive anti-social wankers.

 

[In Bloom]

Every scene has agressive anti-social wankers.

Some scenes appear to attract them in greater numbers than other though.

 

[northernhord]

Oh, for Christ's sake

Its that sort of shitty attitude the chico the pricko has that allowed the ploice to kick the shit out of four hundred travellers in the 1980s, know what I mean

 

[Blagsta]

What bothers me about chico's post is that he is saying that all people who look like this, behave like that. Always a suspect pov. He then goes on to describe people as sub-human or lower down the evolutionary ladder. Even more suspect. Dodgy politics ahoy!

 

[northernhord]

What bothers me about chico's post is that he is saying that all people who look like this, behave like that. Always a suspect pov. He then goes on to describe people as sub-human or lower down the evolutionary ladder. Even more suspect. Dodgy politics ahoy!

Quite, his new car and salary must be getting to him, he is disassociating himself from his past to fit in with his new image

 

[chico enrico]

Quite, his new car and salary must be getting to him, he is disassociating himself from his past to fit in with his new image

Sorry mate, salary ain't as good as a few years ago and i've never had any more desire to drive a car than i've had to have a sex change! Oh, and believe me, my 'image' has never changed, or rather - i've never felt the need to CULTIVATE one...

Always amuses me the way folk like to make out you've sold out/become part of 'the system' if you wash your clothes or use shampoo!

Even back in the days of the Autonomy centre, centro Iberico, Ambulance station, Stop The citys etc etc i never wanted top have anything to do with the smellies and neither did anyone i knew.

Tell me one positive thing/achievement 'crusties' have ever done/made? I'm waiting...

i've known folk who were peace convoy folk in the early 80s and got battered at stonehenge in 1985. sound folk and they're still mates over 25 years on.

remember them not having much time for the dilettante crusty punk types who latched onto the scene shortly after that either. obviously living that life you're gonna get a bit grubby, but you've gotta be a total idiot to make some fashion statement out of it like the crusties have done!

and my best mates till this day i got to know through the crass scene/late 70s/early 80s @ scene, though i spose the fact they all dress well, have decent jobs and don't think chucking a brick through the window of a mcdonalds is going to spark the proletariat into insurrection means they've all got into bed with 'the man' too?

I don't feel any need to apologise for making generalisations about not having any liking for braying sloane rangers or pissed-up city boys so why do i need to do so for crusters.

Sure if it had been a group of 'chavs' (as certain U75s are want to call them) sitting on the steps of the church giving the old women abuse and i had described THEM as 'subhuman scum' everyone would be coming out with the same so what's the problem?

some people just get soooo defensive...

 

[lunatrick]

well said - wearing your smell as some kind badge of cool is ridiculous.....even hamsters lick themselves clean.....

 

[lizzieloo]

 

[chico enrico]

your arrogance knows no fucking bounds does it, fucko? You have no idea where I am or why. But feel free to keep making up the facts to fit your bigotries

fair enough mate. when i fucked my back and neck up U75 was a good way to while away the hours so no offense intended there.

arrogance tempered by humility surely?

 

[JHE]

Has it not occured to you that there are people in every walk of life that are twunts? Have you never seen a city boy in a suit being rude? or lads in shirts on a friday night? or rugby players? or old ladies at jumble sales?

It had never occurred to me that being a 'crusty' was a walk of life - but, now you mention it, I suppose it is.


Careers session at St Cuthberts:

Mr Cyrious: What do you want to be when to grow up, young Tarquin?

Young Tarquin: Well, sir, I'd like to be a smelly, unwashed layabout with strange matted hair and a dog on a piece of string.

Mr C <ruffling through sheets of paper>: Ah, well... good... There are opportunities in that area - but you must get your GCSEs...

Young Tarquin: Yes, sir... and take lots of drugs.​

Still, what you say about other (less strange and smelly) groups of people is patently true.

 

[bluestreak]

you really are a prize fool JHE.

 

[JHE]

you really are a prize fool JHE.

Is it a 'walk of life'?

 

[lizzieloo]

Is it a 'walk of life'?

Did I say it was?

 

[JHE]

Is it or isn't it? I think it is - or at least a totter of life.

 

[lizzieloo]

 

[pk]

I never notice you saying stuff like this when pk refers to people as "surplus" which has pretty much the same implications.

Don't drag me into this you toothless twat.

You lost the argument, deal with it.

 

[clmk]

do I hate anarcho punks? not really
they're no more harmless than the bnp, or extremely nationalist football twats who stab to death people who aren't english... or an extremely stuck up, egotistical, arrogant twat who goes around on forums judging people by how they dress and smell, or whether someone had the intelligence and audacity to be born into a family which had lots of money...
the homeless population is dressed shabbily and 'smell', but I don't regard them as any less human...

'asleep in the garden of the church giving abuse to the old black women who were asking them to move on.'

If I were homeless, looking for a safe place to kip, and saw the church gardens thinking it would be a place of shelter against bigoted twats, and violent shits then I would be a bit pissed off if some cold arsehole stomped over and told me to clear off...

Now you and I don't know exactly what happened, you clearly didn't do a very detailed investigation but making a sweeping generalisation that everyone who dresses and smells like a pumk is automatically an antisocial person who will go around abusing black women is, stupid, ignorant, bigoted, insensitive and narrow minded

 

[In Bloom]

toothless twat.

I'm not sure what it is about people with no sense of irony that makes me laugh so much, but they do

 

[William of Walworth]

There's too many sweeping generalisations in this thread.

'Crusties' are 'invariably' from comfortable backgrounds supported by their parents.

They all smell and they're all antisocial.

I'm with Dub on this -- people who think along these lines are judgmental wankers.

Stig was perfectly capable of distinguishing between those of her fellow road protesters/dready types who were pissed up blaggers, and those who weren't, and so am I.