'Anarcho' punks - don't ya just hate 'em?

[William of Walworth]

It's the smelly crusty types who piss me off. Invariably the crustier they are the richer the family they come from.

Oh yes, that's so true. Invariably. No exceptions.

Bigotted judgemental twat.

And no, before tou start, I'm not defending/excusing any particular bad behaviour of the particular individuals you described in your OP. Who of course are oh so representative of 'all' crusty dready types yes??

Given your willingness to fling around jugemental sweeping statements like the above, that does tend to cast doubt on the reliability of your account. To say the least ...

 

[chico enrico]

jesus, there's some nasty judgemental cunts on this thread. And i don't just mean chico - i take his cuntery to be a given, for the most part.

sorry, but i don't really get this? what are folk being nasty and 'judgemental' about?

stinking anti-social euro punk soap strangers giving abuse to old black women???

 

[Dubversion]

shut the fuck up, chico. Your vicious little rants are so fucking predictable.

And care to explain why this is in a forum intended for announcing demonstration and events? Are you perhaps a dullard?

 

[chico enrico]

Oh yes, that's so true. Invariably. No exceptions.

Bigotted judgemental twat.

And no, before tou start, I'm not defending/excusing any particular bad behaviour of the particular individuals you described in your OP. Who of course are oh so representative of 'all' crusty dready types yes??

Given your willingness to fling around jugemental sweeping statements like the above, that does tend to cast doubt on the reliability of your account. To say the least ...

Yup, me old mucker. It IS true. Invariably. No exceptions I can think of (over here anyway - sure there may be exceptions to that rule in other European countries) but in my experience of the sub-species 'punkus crustus' it is most definitely the case.

I don't like smelly punks. Sure i wouldn't like Ulster Loyalists or fox-hunters if i knew any of them either. where's the problem with that?

 

[chico enrico]

And care to explain why this is in a forum intended for announcing demonstration and events? Are you perhaps a dullard?

A dullard? Moi, Non Plus!

A 'dullard' is the sort who - unless they were at work like me - would be typing away infront of their PC on a lovely day like this.

 

[Dubversion]

that's as maybe, but i still don't see you explaining why you posted this bollocks in the wrong forum.

 

[chico enrico]

I thought there may have been a Conflict gig on or some anti-mcdonalds demo or something as there does seem to be wads of smelly punks around camden today. Should probably have put in in the music forum i admit.

 

[Dubversion]

why the music forum?

you really are a fucking idiot aren't you? hasn't it occured to you that perhaps the best forum for you to use to describe people as 'sub-human scum' might be, you know, another website entirely? Or perhaps you could try not being such a vile prick? Just a thought

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Are you seriously claiming that the crust/squat punk scene isn't riddled with anti-social arseholes?

I think you find that there are

a) anti social arseholes in all walks of life

b) there are a lot of people who have done anti social stuff at some time in their life. Some people think I'm anti social for having a stinky vintage Land Rover outside the house lowering the tone of the neighbourhood.

 

[In Bloom]

I think you find that there are...anti social arseholes in all walks of life

Yeah, but crust has more than it's fair share.

Don't get me wrong, I've met crusties that I've got on with really well, even if I think their lifestyle is weird as fuck and they smell kind of funny. But the crust scene, because of it's tendancy towards squat living, heavy drinking and drugs consumption and shit "fuck you I won't do what you told me" politics, tends to attract arseholes in far greater numbers than most subcultures.

 

[Dubversion]

keep the generalisations coming, in bloom. It's fascinating stuff

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Yeah, but crust has more than it's fair share.

Don't get me wrong, I've met crusties that I've got on with really well, even if I think their lifestyle is weird as fuck and they smell kind of funny. But the crust scene, because of it's tendancy towards squat living, heavy drinking and drugs consumption and shit "fuck you I won't do what you told me" politics, tends to attract arseholes in far greater numbers than most subcultures.

I've met some total and utter wankers who could be described as crusties. I met loads of them when was a photographer covering the big peace demos of the 80's. Some were the pissed up agressive 'bombs not jobs' types and others were just ordinary joes who just lived a verydifferent lifestyle to me.

All subclutures attract arseholes. I had the strange expereince the other week of having an intelligent (but pissed) respectful convo with a bnp member who normally are people Im inclined to think the worse about.

You don't have to get all wooly yoghurt knitting liberal about things but sometimes the person behind the image can surprise.

 

[In Bloom]

keep the generalisations coming, in bloom. It's fascinating stuff

How, exactly, is it a generalisation to say that a particular subculture attracts more of a certain type of people than others?

Even if it doesn't, the crust subculture certainly gives arseholes more opportunity to be arseholes than, for instance, the real ale subculture.

 

[northernhord]

Just returned from the cafe after a houple of 'hard' hours at work. A couple of dirty, smelly bastards sitting on the doorstep with in their stinking rags replete with mandatory 'amebix' and 'gegen nazis' patches and those horrible PTV style rats -tails dreads hanging down the back of their empty heads.

is there some crappy gig on in camden today or something?

saw a load of crusters asleep in the garden of the church down the road this morning and others giving abuse to the old black women who were asking them to move on.

It's cos of cunts like that that 'anarchism' or any real opposition to the state is fucked. What normal folk are going to want to get involved in anything when they run the risk of catching lice?

subhuman scum. I fuckin' hate them.

Worra loada fuckin nonesense you talk indeed Anarcho punx was something from the eighties and early nineties I guess youv'e been reading the wrong books.
Whats up are these people disturbing your London dinner party, did-dumz

 

[In Bloom]

Whats up are these people disturbing your London dinner party, did-dumz

Yeah, because the only people who don't like agressive, pissed up, anti-social cunts milling about in the streets are middle class people who are upset about their dinner party being disturbed

 

[northernhord]

Yeah, because the only people who don't like agressive, pissed up, anti-social cunts milling about in the streets are middle class people who are upset about their dinner party being disturbed

I hope they choke on their tuscanny fried bat

 

[chico enrico]

keep the generalisations coming, in bloom. It's fascinating stuff

what the fuck you on about? In Bloom's posting sounded about spot on to me.

the whole crusty ethos IS 'fuck you' - as principally demonstrated by adopting a fashion/lifestyle which puts them outside the bounds of most of society (invariably supported by mumsie and dadsy)

this was pretty well illustrated by the 'fuck yous' i heard directed towards the old women asking the stinkers to move off the steps of the church they were trying to get into this morning.

What's your problem Dubversion?

I've known loads of crusters, stayed in punk squats both here and around europe in early to mid 1980s and i think i'm pretty well qualified to describe the majority of them as wankers, losers and scumbags. Probably why these people are drawn to this subculture in the first place, no?

 

[chico enrico]

Worra loada fuckin nonesense you talk indeed Anarcho punx was something from the eighties and early nineties I guess youv'e been reading the wrong books.
Whats up are these people disturbing your London dinner party, did-dumz

Think not mate. I can guarantee you i have considerably more first hand experience of the anarcho-punk scene from 80-81 till the mid 1980s than you could ever hope of having had.

 

[Dubversion]

What's your problem Dubversion?

my problem is bitter little fucks like you and your dumbfuck generalisations and prejudices. Since you asked, like..

 

[Dubversion]

Think not mate. I can guarantee you i have considerably more first hand experience of the anarcho-punk scene from 80-81 till the mid 1980s than you could ever hope of having had.

Ah, and now you're a fucking mindreader too. Just by using the power of your tiny little brain you can make all sorts of assumptions about the experiences of other posters.

Twat

 

[chico enrico]

Ah, and now you're a fucking mindreader too. Just by using the power of your tiny little brain you can make all sorts of assumptions about the experiences of other posters.

Twat

Yes... And in my crystal ball I see a bitter man sitting infront of a PC on a sunny day.

But in response to your question:

Of course, HE wrote one of the 'zines mentioned on cover of bloody revolutions, played in one of the bands who set up the anarchy centres with crass from the proceeds of same single, was a member of original London pre-federation CW group blah blah...need me to go on ? no.

Realised punk was no more a pose than any other fashion and anarchism not much more than a rebellious phase for MC kiddies to go through round about 1985 and have since devoted my life to much more pleasurable persuits.

Next...

 

[Dubversion]

Yes... And in my crystal ball I see a bitter man sitting infront of a PC on a sunny day.

your arrogance knows no fucking bounds does it, fucko? You have no idea where I am or why. But feel free to keep making up the facts to fit your bigotries

Of course, HE wrote one of the 'zines mentioned on cover of bloody revolutions, played in one of the bands who set up the anarchy centres with crass from the proceeds of same single, was a member of original London pre-federation CW group blah blah...need me to go on ? no.

Realised punk was no more a pose than any other fashion and anarchism not much more than a rebellious phase for MC kiddies to go through round about 1985 and have since devoted my life to much more pleasurable persuits.

Next...

Well done, have a biscuit. So the fuck what? Doesn't mean you can pass judgement on the life experiences of others when you know fuck all about them.

Actually, fuck it, I don't even know why I'm arguing with you - your status as a nasty little twat has long been evident. And anyone who can extrapolate from the behaviour of a few individuals to the conclusion that a whole 'subculture' (for want of a better word) are 'subhuman scum' needs kicking down a flight of concrete stairs.

 

[In Bloom]

You don't have to get all wooly yoghurt knitting liberal about things but sometimes the person behind the image can surprise.

*thumps head against desk*

 

[Dubversion]

*thumps head against desk*

do it much harder.

 

[In Bloom]

do it much harder.

For someone who's a sensitive enough soul to get all upset over somebody using one throwaway term that very obviously wasn't entirely serious, you're awful quick to start making some pretty nasty comments yourself.

On a side note, is your tagline a reference to the punk band or did you just like the sound of it? I've been curious about that for a while now and it seems vaguely related to the topic

 

[Dubversion]

For someone who's a sensitive enough soul to get all upset over somebody using one throwaway term that very obviously wasn't entirely serious, you're awful quick to start making some pretty nasty comments yourself.

so you think 'subhuman scum' is a throwaway term? No wonder your ideas are so fucked up.

As for nasty comments, mine are directed at specific individuals based on their opinions, not dumbfuck little generalisations based on fuck all. Quite a simple distinction, but let me know if you want me to spell it out for the hard of thinking, won't you?

 

[In Bloom]

so you think 'subhuman scum' is a throwaway term? No wonder your ideas are so fucked up.

I don't think that chico meant it in the way some people have taken it. it's not like he was calling for them all to be exterminated or something (a Zyklon B Movie of sorts, heh)

As for nasty comments, mine are directed at specific individuals based on their opinions, not dumbfuck little generalisations based on fuck all. Quite a simple distinction, but let me know if you want me to spell it out for the hard of thinking, won't you?

And what is it that I've said that's so offensive or worthy of the random personal abuse? That my experience is that squats and the surrounding subculture attract more anti-social people I don't want to spend a lot of time with than other places?

I never said that all crusties or even a majority are like that, just that there's a few too many for comfort.

 

[bluestreak]

anarchism not much more than a rebellious phase for MC kiddies to go through
Next...

easy sunshine, there's still a baby in the bath.

nah, you're right. cos of course any mode of thinking or behaviour is automatically invalidated by the behaviour of it's least representative members.

or maybe just because your ideas of what anarchism are amounted to doing fuck all in squats supported by your parents you feel the need to declare that clearly everyone else must be the same.

 

[Dubversion]

I don't think that chico meant it in the way some people have taken it. it's not like he was calling for them all to be exterminated or something (a Zyklon B Movie of sorts, heh)

so now you're claiming that there's some ambiguity around the term 'subhuman scum'. That perhaps it can be, y'know, lighthearted or something.

Shut up, IB - you're making a tit out of yourself.

 

[In Bloom]

so now you're claiming that there's some ambiguity around the term 'subhuman scum'. That perhaps it can be, y'know, lighthearted or something.

I don't think it quite warrents the hair pulling and gnashing of teeth from some people here. I never notice you saying stuff like this when pk refers to people as "surplus" which has pretty much the same implications.

Shut up, IB - you're making a tit out of yourself.

What have I said that you feel the need to take so personally? I really don't get why you're being such a cock.