Anarchist Bookfair, Saturday 27th October, London

[nosos]

My point, without engaging in menaningless adversity, was tyhat i think they are one and the same comrade.

We may be talking past each other to some extent but I think the difference is one of practice as something that sometimes follows from theory (telling people what to do and sometimes doing stuff) and theory supporting and informing practice (primarily doing stuff and sometimes getting together to discuss and situate what you're doing in a wider context).

um, no i think i was saying he IS a syndicalist. Thats is the branch of anarchism he identifies with, on the whole. I'm not a chomsky reader or in fact much of a reader, but i think he is a syndicalist overall, but spends most of his time using his position as an intellectual to campaign and educate.

Sorry I read "is" as "isn't"

 

[nosos]

I think I'm chronically misreading your posts.

Will come back later when I've had food & coffee.

 

[William of Walworth]

That link doesn't work.

Dunno what hapened there, sorry

Fixed it now tho' -- in post one and ...

here ... Proper ABF 2007 link

 

[William of Walworth]

i'll give you a clue - on another board, theres a 7 page thread

I assumed there would be, but some perfectly sound people are (now) on both forums -- lets have threads in more than one place!

RADICAL!

Seems like I plugged a gap on Urban anyway, with posting this, so tis all good

 

[Larry O'Hara]

If it helps (or even if it doesn't), I shall be there with some co-conspirators...

 

[In Bloom]

My point, without engaging in menaningless adversity, was tyhat i think they are one and the same comrade.

But they're really not. Unless we're going to assume that there's some homogeneous mass of Ordinary People out there, waiting to be told what's what*, offering "solutions" and "alternatives" is a bit meaningless, not because it's oppressive or whatever, but because it's a bit of a waste of time.


*Not that I'm suggesting that this is what you think, but I don't see how the whole idea is supposed to work otherwise.

 

[In Bloom]

I assumed there would be, but some perfectly sound people are (now) on both forums -- lets have threads in more than one place!

RADICAL!

Seems like I plugged a gap on Urban anyway, with posting this, so tis all good

I was pretty surprised to see that you'd started this, tbh. I wouldn't have thought it'd be your kind of thing.

Honestly, it's not mine, I just go for the piss up

 

[The Black Hand]

If it helps (or even if it doesn't), I shall be there with some co-conspirators...

Me too

 

[tufty79]

i will be trying to steal all of corporate watch's chocolate.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Me too

and your long awaited 'Glee magazine' too?

 

[rich!]

Aleister Crowley said that 'Do what Thou Wilt, Shall be the Whole of The Law' - and he was utterly fucking wrong. Has exactly nothing to do with anarchism in my opinion.

Everyone misunderstands that one.

It's not the chaos punk version, it's an incitement to leading lives of unswerving dedication to your purpose, whatever that might be...

 

[Geri]

I'll be there very briefly, and then off to the pub.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Everyone misunderstands that one.

It's not the chaos punk version, it's an incitement to leading lives of unswerving dedication to your purpose, whatever that might be...

...and in Crowley's case that was ripping people off, and fucking them about big time, which adds up to the same thing in the end...The man even drew a knob on his head to make things clear.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

But they're really not. Unless we're going to assume that there's some homogeneous mass of Ordinary People out there, waiting to be told what's what*, offering "solutions" and "alternatives" is a bit meaningless, not because it's oppressive or whatever, but because it's a bit of a waste of time.


*Not that I'm suggesting that this is what you think, but I don't see how the whole idea is supposed to work otherwise.

actually mate thats exactly what i'm saying. Homogenous mass or not, there are some base facts for all of us and there are some blatant fucking injustices we could be doing a lot more about; i do think its worth putting anarchism forward as a way of solving problems, cos if its not wtf is the point? If we can't say to people that anarchism is a useful theory for sorting out their problems...

 

[Taxamo Welf]

la la la la la

 

[The Black Hand]

and your long awaited 'Glee magazine' too?

That's you that is

 

[The Black Hand]

We may be talking past each other to some extent but I think the difference is one of practice as something that sometimes follows from theory (telling people what to do and sometimes doing stuff) and theory supporting and informing practice (primarily doing stuff and sometimes getting together to discuss and situate what you're doing in a wider context).

TBH this is ALL not enough - the answer is praxis We start from participating in class struggle and see what happens Not standing on the sidelines trying to create something apriori pure, rather as the class struggle develops radical theory discovers itself in the midst of these ever wider and connecting struggles.

 

[William of Walworth]

I was pretty surprised to see that you'd started this, tbh. I wouldn't have thought it'd be your kind of thing.

Honestly, it's not mine, I just go for the piss up

You think I'm NOT going for the pissup? (at least partly ... )

But I have some specific underground literature I'm looking out for, that I'm unlikely to find elsewhere that easily.

I come from a countercultural/old school free festivals/direct action/eco protest-friendly direction on this sorta thing ("Lifestyleist!!!!" ) plus the history of it all interests me. Being a historian by background, it would be wrong not to take an interest in the lterature of radical ideas. I've been a bit of a collector at times as well.

And I have a passing bit of professional interest in underground presses, subversive publications, wild art and graphics, and the like.

I was never much of an activist myself, being a lazy stoner twat but I have a genuine interest. I'm not an anarchist really, but I respect a lot of ideas coming from that general area ...

Also, Deb is keen to visit the ABF

Noted absence of a thread yet, and plugged a gap ...

 

[treefrog]

I'd go along, but I'm busy playing soldiers that weekend.

I somehow doubt they'll miss my presence....

 

[Larry O'Hara]

That's you that is

'Thats You'--interesting, now we know your title. Especially if its anything like this http://sugarshock.com/press/media_glee.html

 

[soulman]

Anarchist bookfair eh

 

[Taxamo Welf]

I'd go along, but I'm busy playing soldiers that weekend.

I somehow doubt they'll miss my presence....

TA?

 

[nosos]

TBH this is ALL not enough - the answer is praxis We start from participating in class struggle and see what happens Not standing on the sidelines trying to create something apriori pure, rather as the class struggle develops radical theory discovers itself in the midst of these ever wider and connecting struggles.

That's pretty much what I mean - I was just trying to avoid using the term praxis

 

[rich!]

You think I'm NOT going for the pissup?

Beer in the Evening has a 9.8 rated pub in that area...

 

[In Bloom]

Oooh, which one?

 

[Stig]

Oooh, which one?

this one:

http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/30/30865/Old_Duke_Of_Cambridge/Mile_End

looks like it's a bit small though, and only one beer. And it's a mile away.

 

[Stig]

This one sounds a bit better, possibly

http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/11/11665/Coborn_Arms/Bow

 

[The Black Hand]

That's pretty much what I mean - I was just trying to avoid using the term praxis

I like the language of the new society

 

[William of Walworth]

Will do a Good Beer Gude check too. There definitely used to be some nice pubs in the area, can't remember where they are though.

 

[chico enrico]

Will do a Good Beer Gude check too. There definitely used to be some nice pubs in the area, can't remember where they are though.

Somewhere else?