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Anarchism and the individual

max_freakout said:
they wouldnt be very good anarchists if they didnt!!!


"i am an anarchist but i vote Labour because i want politicians to control the country"

:confused:

in what *sense* is such a person an anarchist?
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What you might want to do, if you were so inclined, would be to have a read about anarchists and 'state'. Similarly consider what VP has already pointed out i.e. that anarchy is usually ascribed to chaos, not anarchism.
 
cesare said:
What you might want to do, if you were so inclined, would be to have a read about anarchists and 'state'. Similarly consider what VP has already pointed out i.e. that anarchy is usually ascribed to chaos, not anarchism.
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i'm not convinced that anarchy is usually ascribed to chaos tbh. that's slightly tabloidesque imo.
 
Paulie Tandoori said:
i'm not convinced that anarchy is usually ascribed to chaos tbh. that's slightly tabloidesque imo.
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No, what I meant was that people that want to equate 'anarchy' (in the sense of anarchism) with 'chaos' try and ascribe 'without ruler' to a chaotic state (hah) of affairs. 'State of anarchy' being then 'state of chaos' rather than rulerless state. If that makes sense?
 
cesare said:
No, what I meant was that people that want to equate 'anarchy' (in the sense of anarchism) with 'chaos' try and ascribe 'without ruler' to a chaotic state (hah) of affairs. 'State of anarchy' being then 'state of chaos' rather than rulerless state. If that makes sense?
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i'm not sure that i make sense anymore....:) but yes, i do. i think anyways :)
 
firky said:
(((thread)))

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OK then. Have a serious post. :rolleyes:

Anarchism is pretty much a balancing act between two tendencies of nineteenth century political thought. This is well-expressed by Rudolph Rocker, who writes: -

Anarchism has in common with Liberalism the idea that the happiness and prosperity of the individual must be the standard of all social matters. And, in common with the great representatives of Liberal thought, it has also the idea of limiting the functions of government to a minimum. Its supporters have followed this thought to its ultimate logical consequences, and wish to eliminate every institution of political power from the life of society. When Jefferson clothes the basic concept of Liberalism in the words: "that government is best which governs least," then Anarchists say with Thoreau: "That government is best which governs not at all."

In common with the founders of socialism, Anarchists demand the abolition of all economic monopolies and the common ownership of the soil and all other means of production, the use of which must be available for all without distinction; for personal and social freedom is conceivable only on the basis of equal economic advantages for everybody. Within the socialist movement itself the Anarchists represent the viewpoint that the war against capitalism must be at the same time a war against all institutions of political power, for in history economic exploitation has always gone hand in hand with political and social oppression. The exploitation of man by man and the dominion of man over man are inseparable, and each is the condition of the other.
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http://www.spunk.org/library/writers/rocker/sp001495/rocker_as1.html
 
the button said:
who would clean the drains? And what about all the murderers and rapists running amok?
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presumably, if the 'urban75 anarchists' ever take charge, there will be a special 'anarchist secret policeforce' set up to force people to work at gunpoint, and gun down 'suspected terrorists' in the street :rolleyes::(


i have no idea
 
max_freakout said:
presumably, if the 'urban75 anarchists' ever take charge, there will be a special 'anarchist secret policeforce' set up to force people to work at gunpoint, and gun down 'suspected terrorists' in the street :rolleyes::(
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lol that you're saying that to button :D:D
 
cesare said:
What do you believe is the difference?
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'anarchy' means a state with no government, no rules, and no coercion

'anarchism' means to me the beliefs of a bunch of people who don't know what 'anarchy' means (and who just love getting beaten up by truncheons)
 
max_freakout said:
'anarchy' means a state with no government, no rules, and no coercion

'anarchism' means to me the beliefs of a bunch of people who don't know what 'anarchy' means (and who just love getting beaten up by truncheons)
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how do you know that this is what 'anarchy' and 'anarchism' means though max? really? define a label for me please.
 
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