anarchism and "authoritarianism"

[Gmart]

We gotta have a set of rules and in the interests of equality these rules should apply to all people, thus a world government. But many people seem unhappy with this because they feel that equality is not as important as localisation of power.

I mean if we are all humans, we should all have the same rules and we should be fighting for a world government to ensure that the Multinationals cannot run away to a regime which can be bribed to accede to its demands.

 

[8ball]

We gotta have a set of rules and in the interests of equality these rules should apply to all people, thus a world government.

I can see this thread turning a little dark from here.

 

[northernhord]

We gotta have a set of rules and in the interests of equality these rules should apply to all people, thus a world government. But many people seem unhappy with this because they feel that equality is not as important as localisation of power.

I mean if we are all humans, we should all have the same rules and we should be fighting for a world government to ensure that the Multinationals cannot run away to a regime which can be bribed to accede to its demands.

I understand where your coming from, I reckon you need localised democracy with globally agreed ideas and practices that work towards equality.

 

[118118]

Interesting. But I don't see that a world governemnt can be created through diplomacy with the powers that be. And surely localization is just a method, and we hope that the organics of it will sort itself out. Maybe I have misunderstood, but whether localism can generate a world-wide system (I don't like that world, sorry 8ball) is a very important question. And if it can't, then we work from what we've got.

(I've really gotta stop posting)

 

[Gmart]

But if we don't have the same rules for everyone, then the Multinationals will go up to individual governments and offer to set up a factory in return for 'flexibility' on human/workers rights.

Thus leading to competition between governments, with rights as the currency.

Dark indeed 8ball!!

Either we cooperate and succeed in a homogenous world or we divide and get fed to big business as fodder.

nice!!

 

[8ball]

And of course this World Government isn't going to wind up in the pockets of the Transnationals like the local Governments . . .

 

[118118]

Rules are not a "homogeous mass". 'Rules' are not the product.

I don't really understand what you are saying about multinationals tbh.

 

[Gmart]

If the governements are standing together insisting on the same standards then the multis can't do anything. What they want is for the governments to try and compete for their business, undercutting each other on the rights they need to give their population.

 

[118118]

You think that all the governments of the world can be re-stabilized, without radicalism?

 

[Gmart]

I think that in the end the only way to counter the threat of the multinationals is to stand together against them and to demand certain standards.

 

[8ball]

I think that in the end the only way to counter the threat of the multinationals is to stand together against them and to demand certain standards.

I agree.

I don't agree that you do that by consolidating the power of the Governments that live in their pockets.

 

[118118]

Does that make you two friends, or foes, of one-another?

 

[Gmart]

I agree.

I don't agree that you do that by consolidating the power of the Governments that live in their pockets.

And how does your alternative work? How would you prevent governments competing?

 

[8ball]

And how does your alternative work? How would you prevent governments competing?

the lette 'r' has stopped woking on my keyboad (I copied and pasted that one, befoe you say)

i was going to say something about concentation of powe and things of that natue but eveything i type without that one impotant consonant looks a bit silly

 

[8ball]

dammit, gonna have to buy a new keyboad

i sound like jonathan woss with a cold . . .

moe fiece debate latew in week . . .

 

[ViolentPanda]

And how does your alternative work? How would you prevent governments competing?

First, we kill all the lawyers.

 

[Gmart]

First, we kill all the lawyers.

Might help, might not!

I'm sorry to hear about your r problem 8ball, how bizarre (geddit )

Still I agree that I don't like the solution I'm giving either, but I just don't see any alternative. We must stand together to ensure that the Multinationals don't takeover. I'm not being dramatic it's just logical that they would wish for the governments to NOT cooperate. Thus a form of world government will be the final chapter. Every country who tries to be independent will find themselves isolated for not cooperating and thus given the choice of selling their souls to the Multinationals or to a cooperative of countries (of some form, preferably federal)

 

[Karen Eliot]

Jesus fucking christ

Some qaulity debate here. An anachist was rude to me on the internet--> loads of other sad saps that passing anarchists were once rude to jump on 'they were rude to me too'! = a nice little model. What was university like lads? Tried life yet?

 

[Gmart]

Monday tmrw, still what d'ya reck?

 

[8ball]

An anachist was rude to me on the internet . .

no need to take the piss, plus you'e not being vey consistent

 

[Karen Eliot]

We gotta have a set of rules and in the interests of equality these rules should apply to all people, thus a world government. But many people seem unhappy with this because they feel that equality is not as important as localisation of power.

I mean if we are all humans, we should all have the same rules and we should be fighting for a world government to ensure that the Multinationals cannot run away to a regime which can be bribed to accede to its demands.

Societies and communities, associations/whatever have rules, rules they develop themselves out of their own experience, habit, taste - or any number of variables. These rules don't need to apply to all people across the world at all times. The fact that all human societies have evolved rules of behaviour predicated on the common good as understood by themselves good doesn't lead to the idea that there must be world government or that those local rules must be universal.

 

[8ball]

if i could type the wod 'gwanulawity' i'd be typing it about now

 

[118118]

Jesus fucking christ

Some qaulity debate here. An anachist was rude to me on the internet--> loads of other sad saps that passing anarchists were once rude to jump on 'they were rude to me too'! = a nice little model. What was university like lads? Tried life yet?

Imbecile. You're not doing the hypothesis that anarchists are rude much good, are you?

You don't think that anarchists have been known for their violence? But that now they are all just cunts.

You think that you are more or less tolerant of difference? I didn't say that it was all anarchists: just the one's like you.

Got anything else to say?

 

[118118]

Tho tbh, I don't expect much debate from you. Just intolerance of criticism/difference.

 

[8ball]

You don't think that anarchists have been known for their violence.

Odd misrepresentation when you look at the body count compared with Capitalists and Communists. But then anarchists weren't killing poor people.

 

[118118]

Yeah, thats what I don't like, whatever you are trying to defend there. "Silence"

 

[118118]

They have a rep tho, don't they?

Compared with say, the working classes?

 

[118118]

If I gave a shit about the suitability of Stalinists and Capitalists to build a new world (etc), I would be elsewhere tbh.

 

[8ball]

They have a rep tho, don't they?

Compared with say, the working classes?

You're saying the working classes aren't negatively streotyped as being violent?

 

[Karen Eliot]

Imbecile. You're not doing the hypothesis that anarchists are rude much good, are you?

You don't think that anarchists have been known for their violence? But that now they are all just cunts.

You think that you are more or less tolerant of difference? I didn't say that it was all anarchists: just the one's like you.

Got anything else to say?

Give us a chance matey!

Actually, can any one here pinpoint the above 'post' to bits of my posts, because i can't. What does s/he mean?