An Inconvenient Truth
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Crispy said:You'd probably survive having your legs being steamrollered, but it wouldn't be much fun. Especially if you could see it coming
To continue the analogy I would have to looking in the wrong direction with my fingers in my ears... We know the steamroller is there. And for the people with their fingers in their ears...? Its going to hurt economically if they continue with old-school, pre-global warming practices and technologies.
I personally believe that the first countries to be affected (and to change their ways) will be the ones on top in the next 20 - 50 years. Hopefully the US will wake up soon...!
I'm not sure Ford is that popular. Also many vehicles are fuel more efficient than western ones (because of smaller engine size and smaller size and weight generally) and are also not that old (due to recent increase in new cheap models):spacemonkey said:For every new Hybrid Car - there's 10,000 knackered old Ford vans in Bangkok, Shanghai, Delhi etc pumping out thick black smoke all day..and will do so for the next 20 years.
Re. India:
"The oldest and reliable vehicle available across India is Ambassador. However the other most popular vehicle in North India and in Gujarat is Maruti-Van for which performance is good driving on hills with very little maintenance and fast pick-up, however if not driven carefully, it is accident prone. Jeep is the most common vehicle in Rajasthan. The deluxe versions of Jeep with closed bodies vehicles are Toyota Qualis , Sumo, Armada and Trax most commonly used in Western India as vehicles can accommodate more people and very good picand stability. They are mainly plying on Mumbai-Pune, Mumbai-Aurangabad, Mumbai- Nasik- Shirdi and Mumbai-Mahableshwar and interior parts of Maharashtra.The other types of owner driven vehicles which are most common in India are Maruti-800, Maruti-Esteem, Maruti-Zen. Other new vehicles are Fiat-Uno, Deawoo-Cielo, Opel-Astra, Ford." link
"The demand for cars in India is one of the highest in the world. In 2002, more than 50,000 new cars were bought in Delhi alone. Compact cars predominate due to low cost. Maruti, Hyundai, Tata Motors and Ford are the most popular brands in the order of their market share. The clunky Ambassador once had a monopoly but is now an icon of pre-liberalisation India, and is still used by politicians. Maruti 800 launched in 1984 created the first revolution in the Indian auto sector because of its low pricing. It had the highest market share until 2004, when it was overtaken by other low cost models of Maruti and those of foreign entrants like Hyundai. Over the 20 year period since its introduction about 2.4 million units of Maruti 800 have been sold." wiki
(nb Marutia are Indian-built Suzukis - Maruti Udyog Ltd is a joint venture between the Indian government and Suzuki: "Suzuki Motor Company was chosen from seven prospective partners worldwide. This was due not only to their undisputed leadership in small cars but also to their commitment to actively bring to MUL contemporary technology and Japanese management practices (which had catapulted Japan over USA to the status of the top auto manufacturing country in the world)."
The best selling car in India at the moment is the Maruti Alto: it has a 796 cc 3 cylinder engine (and an ejector seat by the look of it!):
Moreover, "thick black smoke", however unpleasant locally, doesn't actually contribute to climate change.spacemonkey said:For every new Hybrid Car - there's 10,000 knackered old Ford vans in Bangkok, Shanghai, Delhi etc pumping out thick black smoke all day..and will do so for the next 20 years.
If you look at levels of CO2 produced from private transport countries like the UK and other rich countries still produce far more than far larger poor populations - simply the amount of fuel burnt, the number of miles driven in near-empty cars and massively large and heavy vehicles with massive (and massively overpowered) engines.
It is true that western cities have cleaner air, but this is a bit of a red herring when it comes to CO2 output (especially per capita).
spacemonkey
I Love Noodles
I saw this last night, and realised my earlier comment was a bit off the mark. 
Unbelievable piece of film making. I haven't got much to add that hasn't already been said on this thread, but as many people as possible need to see this film. There should be a thread in general telling all urbanites to go see it. Several parts of the presentation were deeply unnerving to watch & made me feel very uncomfortable.
Interestingly though, I watched it in Australia and you could hear the collective groan of embarrassment when Gore states that Auz is the only other country not to sign Kyoto. Cunty John Howard's blithering excuse is that Australia will lose jobs to abroad, this argument was expertly addressed by Gore.
I also studied the delta oxygen levels in the vostok ice cores in uni. I remember being very alarmed at the results and rambling on to anyone who would listen that human activity is doing making some serious changes to the composition of the atmosphere.
How different would America be if Gore had been in the white house the last 8 years?
X10
Unbelievable piece of film making. I haven't got much to add that hasn't already been said on this thread, but as many people as possible need to see this film. There should be a thread in general telling all urbanites to go see it. Several parts of the presentation were deeply unnerving to watch & made me feel very uncomfortable.
Interestingly though, I watched it in Australia and you could hear the collective groan of embarrassment when Gore states that Auz is the only other country not to sign Kyoto. Cunty John Howard's blithering excuse is that Australia will lose jobs to abroad, this argument was expertly addressed by Gore.
I also studied the delta oxygen levels in the vostok ice cores in uni. I remember being very alarmed at the results and rambling on to anyone who would listen that human activity is doing making some serious changes to the composition of the atmosphere.
How different would America be if Gore had been in the white house the last 8 years?
X10max_freakout
Nothing matters
We need to grow lots of cannabis 
spacemonkey
I Love Noodles
TeeJay said:
They still signed the treaty no? They are not subject to the targets due to the common but differentiated responsibilities. Yes he does say that China is the second largest emitter but their per capita emissions are still relatively low.
In 2005, Austrialia had the highest per capita emissions in the world, shouldn't they lead by example?
Kyoto doesn't really depend on 'per capita' calculations, maybe it should but it doesn't.spacemonkey said:
We can't keep skirting around this issue - China could easily blow away any savings made by the UK for example - the whole of the EU in fact.
This is a global problem and we have to have this debate. Kyoto is a start - a first attempt - but it has many flaws which we should be honest about.
jiggajagga
Judge_Mental
I think we are screwed simply because of what we are. We can't all agree on which side of the road to drive on, which measurements to use, which weight system etc so what chance us all agreeing to change over the biggest issue to ever face humanity?
I just keep have this vision of a father sitting with his dying daughter on his lap breathing oxygen through a mask and saying " Daddy, why did you let them do it? Why didn't you stop them Daddy?"
Hope I'm wrong!
I just keep have this vision of a father sitting with his dying daughter on his lap breathing oxygen through a mask and saying " Daddy, why did you let them do it? Why didn't you stop them Daddy?"
Hope I'm wrong!
We don't need to agree on which side of the road to drive on, as long as it is consistent within one area, or what weights and measures to use, as long as we can convert the numbers.jiggajagga said:
Some people are yet to be convinced that "action X" (eg a certain percentage reduction in CO2) will actually lead to result Y (a certain climate result) or that not doing X will have that much of a difference ultimately.
Rather than get hysterical we need to be as clear as we can about the facts and take whatever action (including political/campaigning/persuasion) that is needed to sorts things out.
TeeJay said:
To borrow another u75er quote "this is fudge factor" 10. I take the point expressed a few post back that capitalism needs to be destroyed as it's apathy is the root cause. The world's population is unsustainable at present levels, and renewable energy for a world population of 2billion (figure expressed on the globalisation vs sustainablity thread) is feasible I think. I'm sorry to take such a draconian view, but how many people will perish and how many will just seek to move to (then) over populated regions of the world. I won't get to see this film until october, does he go into the human demographics after pestilence, disease and natural catastrophes are taken into account.
jiggajagga
Judge_Mental
muser said:
A previous post of mine;
"I think the most frightning part of the movie was the ammount of mass migration that will be created if the already hot equatorial regions become even hotter and thus virtually unliveable.
We are moaning here in the UK about half a million immigrants. Imagine what life will be like when 100s of millions migrate mainly north from the equatorial regions (simply because there is more land in the northern hemishpere than the southern)?
The possibility of social cohesion breakdown is tremendous."
just saw this tonight - certainly gave me a kick up the arse.......thought gore was very good - obviously been studying this subject for decades......no wonder they pulled a stroke and stopped him being president - he's far too intelligent, and would have f*cked certain lobbies overnight
I agree with him - as many as possible need to see this film.......it explained what is happening very concisely in straightforward terms......I was also quite heartened by the fact that china seems pretty on the ball about it's own behavoir.....I just hope america will get it's act together.....with britain following suite obviously...
I agree with him - as many as possible need to see this film.......it explained what is happening very concisely in straightforward terms......I was also quite heartened by the fact that china seems pretty on the ball about it's own behavoir.....I just hope america will get it's act together.....with britain following suite obviously...
citydreams
on the road again
Al Gore is being interviewed on Top Gear tomorrow (monday) night.
Should be interesting!
Should be interesting!
jiggajagga
Judge_Mental
citydreams said:
Hasn't the series been put on hold because of Hamsters smash?
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
No, that's another series he was filming I think
jiggajagga
Judge_Mental
Orang Utan said:
I'll look forward then towards Jeremy Clarkson trying to defend the indefensable
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
He's just a real life troll isn't he?jiggajagga said:I'll look forward then towards Jeremy Clarkson trying to defend the indefensable
Looks like one too.
And he can't get it up too (according to Piers Morgan).
If only he'd been driving that dragster....
Wookey said:
Aye me too...we went to see it today
Alas it's already ended its run in Manchester so we had to drive out to the Wirral to see it.
The cinema was virtually empty, the masses that need to see this were doing something else
As baldrick said it is sadly preaching to the converted .
Charlie Drake
New Member
The film needs to be on BBC/ITV 8pm ish pronto - and in schools
I felt fucking head mashed after seeing it today I did
... preaching to the converted yes
... making me really pissed off/angry/cynical .. more importantly ... thinking ... yes
I don't know, can't think right now - still needs to sink in, but basically all that Wookey sed really...
... preaching to the converted yes
... making me really pissed off/angry/cynical .. more importantly ... thinking ... yes
I don't know, can't think right now - still needs to sink in, but basically all that Wookey sed really...
I, a post-graduate student, was forced to go to see it alone last night at the small art house cinema in town which was the only one in Nottingham showing it. There were a few people there but I fear my encouragement to my friends and associates to see it before it finishes on Wednesday may well fall on deaf ears.
Further to Charlie's idea I may now write to the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 asking them to screen it prime time. This issue is mainstream now I thought and we as a society need to face up to the grime reality. Gore's money vs earth comparison bared a lot of weight for me.
Further to Charlie's idea I may now write to the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 asking them to screen it prime time. This issue is mainstream now I thought and we as a society need to face up to the grime reality. Gore's money vs earth comparison bared a lot of weight for me.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Orang Utan said:
Surely not being able to get it up is quite understandable if you're with Piers Morgan.
citydreams
on the road again
Charlie Drake said:
the BBC reported that it's being shown to all school children in Scotland.
citydreams
on the road again
citydreams said:
Did anyone see this? My video-recorder is on the blink.
ska invita
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