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See right away you're trying to complicate things.

If as a neighbour fridgemagnet was able to create a system of communication that could help us both then I would be willing to look after his land for a month at a time while he tinkered and created. I'm sure I wouldn't be his only neighbour to think like that.

In the same way I would expect my neighbours to help me out when I needed to harvest certain crops, and likewise for them.

I'm trying to complicate it because things would get complicated. I thought that was the point of this exercise?

I think installing broaddband might need a bit more than that though don't you? What else might be needed to to make this a viable collective venture on the part of the other people and their single acreages?
 
I'm trying to complicate it because things would get complicated. I thought that was the point of this exercise?

I think installing broaddband might need a bit more than that though don't you? What else might be needed to to make this a viable collective venture on the part of the other people and their single acreages?

It's an open idea. What do you think could happen?
 
It's an open idea. What do you think could happen?

I think many things could happen. I'm just following the possibility opened by FM earlier. You can of course say, it'll all work out because we'll help each other to every possibility but i have to say that i think that renders the experiment worthless.
 
I'm trying to complicate it because things would get complicated. I thought that was the point of this exercise?

I think installing broaddband might need a bit more than that though don't you? What else might be needed to to make this a viable collective venture on the part of the other people and their single acreages?

Set up a collective, the Free Acre Owners Polity I suggested. This would be a loosely tied by trade collective, producing cash crops. I don't need to explain the food/fuel support system and its workers etc. That should be obvious. them roles would be taken by those with crappier acres.
They'd be allowed the time to start producing the wood, wheat and grazing land for animals that they needed.


It'd never fucking work though. Who wants a return to that way of life, even if its a fairer version of pre-industrial revolution society.
 
That's so lame. It's like you're afraid to speak your mind...

Is that to me?

What do you want - propoganda? it'll all work out fine. Sorry. I thiought you hasd started an experiment here, see how it developed and see what soolutions people come up with. I didn't realise that everyone owning one acre was actually your end answer :D
 
So, what, we have to negotiate all sorts of deals with acre-holders in foreign countries to get the materials required - without an existing system, so presumably we have to swim there - and they'll have to have already negotiated mining co-operatives somehow - then find the engineers and network technicians by a similar mechanism, negotiate for their skills, assuming that they're not already dead of cholera, plot everything out, argue with all of the other landowners about how the infrastructure is going to work? Oh, and the power of course, let's not forget about that.

Nah, I'll stick with Tesco ta.
 
You know it was to you. Now stop trying to dodge stuff and share your thoughts on what you would do with your acre of land. What are you afraid of?
 
So, what, we have to negotiate all sorts of deals with acre-holders in foreign countries to get the materials required - without an existing system, so presumably we have to swim there - and they'll have to have already negotiated mining co-operatives somehow - then find the engineers and network technicians by a similar mechanism, negotiate for their skills, assuming that they're not already dead of cholera, plot everything out, argue with all of the other landowners about how the infrastructure is going to work? Oh, and the power of course, let's not forget about that.

Nah, I'll stick with Tesco ta.

And there's me thinking you had something to offer :D
 
You know it was to you. Now stop trying to dodge stuff and share your thoughts on what you would do with your acre of land. What are you afraid of?

Dodge what? What's to dodge? You seem to be the one dodging stuff. You plonked people down somewhere with ridiculously restrictive condtions and asked them what they'd do. When they asked questions you said shut up it'll work rather than exploring how it might be made to work - which i thought was the point of the exercise.

What would i do? Under these conditions i'd desert. I'd walk away.
 
And there's me thinking you had something to offer :D

You're offering to take away power, medicine, clean water, sanitation, communication, and give me... a field?

I pledge myself and my field to the cause of the Empire Of Tesco, long may it continue to be a better alternative to primmies.
 
Dodge what? What's to dodge? You seem to be the one dodging stuff. You plonked people down somewhere with ridiculously restrictive condtions and asked them what they'd do. When they asked questions you said shut up it'll work rather than exploring how it might be made to work - which i thought was the point of the exercise.

What would i do? Under these conditions i'd desert. I'd walk away.

I haven't plonked anyone anywhere. What 'ridiculously restrictive condtions'? I haven't told anyone to shut up.

If you're afraid to to contribute some positive ideas that's your choice. Just like it was your choice to involve yourself in this thread. Shame though, I thought you were some kind of anarchist.
 
You're offering to take away power, medicine, clean water, sanitation, communication, and give me... a field?

I pledge myself and my field to the cause of the Empire Of Tesco, long may it continue to be a better alternative to primmies.

When did I do that?
 
Oh god, it's soulman's weepy weekend thread.

OK, i'll leave you to it. It'll all work as long as you say it will and don't let anyone living there aske questions.
 
Oh, well, if it's just extra land, inside the hollow earth or something, and I can sit at home and live with what I have at the moment as well... I'd probably grow some runner beans, maybe some tomatoes. I did infer some sort of change to the previous situation though.
 
Oh, well, if it's just extra land, inside the hollow earth or something, and I can sit at home and live with what I have at the moment as well... I'd probably grow some runner beans, maybe some tomatoes. I did infer some sort of change to the previous situation though.

What change did you infer?

I'm interested in why you've reacted so negatively to the opportunity to share your skills with your neighbours, and get given free food, booze etc., while you are given the time to do something to help your community.
 
OK, shall we start again?

What would i do. Immediately? Do i have the implements/knowledge/seeds etc to farm? What about animals? Can we/i expand? What are the ground rules?
 
would be ace to live like that. :)

i'd have a nice big house on mine, with room for growing stuff - INCLUDING weed(fuck the land being arable, i'd use pots and raised beds for that) room for renting out/storage, and have parties all the time :cool:(which prolly noone would come to...so i'd just end up complaining about other people having theirs)

presumably, all acres would be/have a way of being supplied with the services (couldn't live without me broadband or sky+)... just that everyone would have a different skill/have a different type of land, in order that we all just live co-operatively...but, see, butchersapron has a point, to a point..in that not everyone WOULD get on, and soon the cracks would start to show, and before you know it you'd have mutiny and anarchy...just like urban then really :D

oh yeah, and animals, would have some of them too. with room for an elephant! (in my next door neighbours garden ;))
 
OK, shall we start again?

What would i do. Immediately? Do i have the implements/knowledge/seeds etc to farm? What about animals? Can we/i expand? What are the ground rules?

Ok if you're serious let's try this article as a starting point. It seems to suggest that it could become a reality in Russia, plus the concept of eco-villages is growing worldwide:

Vladimir Putin has indicated full support of Dmitriy Medvedev for the post of President of the Russian Federation. Medvedev, who is presently First Deputy Prime Minister has indicated enthusiastic support for the concept of eco-villages. Medvedev will be the candidate of the Edinaya Rossiya Party.

Medvedev expressed his support of the concept of eco-villages in a March 5, 2007 online conference organized by the newspaper Izvestia and the internet portal Yandex and broadcast by TV channel “Vesti-24.” During the interview the host suggested that the outlook of the nation is shifting. Medvedev replied, “Yes, and [the] psychology is changing too. People feel themselves in a completely different way.”

The host stated that the question of eco-villages was brought up because he had received 5,000 emails from supporters of the “Kin Domains” concept before the show asking about the plan to give each Russian family a hectare of public land to create a Kin Domain and the allowance for them to be organized into eco-villages.

The idea of “Kin Domains,” greatly expands, in time and space, the tradition of families having a rural plot, called dachas, where they relax in the summer and grow gardens. The idea has grown out of a series of books by Vladimir Megre which feature the contemporary Russian-Siberian eco-mystic, Anastasia. ( www.ringingcedars.com )

The Anastasia eco-spiritual movement has organized in most major Russian cities and has its own political party that is aligned with the parties supporting Putin. The books have also sparked eco-village organizing in many countries in Asia, Eastern Europe, Western Europe and the english speaking countries. The basic idea of the Kin Domain is for each family to live self-sufficiently on their domain using Permaculture concepts, while those that choose, can organize their plots into eco-villages that feature crafts and local production.

LAND OFFERED

Medvedev speaks of the district of Belgorod Oblast, near the Ukraine border that he has visited, where political moves are already under way toward arranging land for this idea in that area. ”Thus the idea of Kin’s Domains in this regard is absolutely positive and it is related to the idea of low-rise construction. By the way, those processes are going quite well in some regions. Let’s take, for example, the Belgorod oblast. I happened to drop by into one of the offices with the Governor. This office is in charge of registration of paperwork for the land and I was surprised in a good way by the price for land. Not too much, not one hectar yet. However, enough for building projects. They offered about 2500 sq.m, if I’m not mistaken. And the price for this land in today’s Russia sounds almost “funny” - something around 10-15 thousand roubles ($300-$400 USD). So one can get such piece of land but on certain terms and conditions: within 5 years there must be a house build there. And for three years this house can’t be sold not to allow any profiteering.”

Read the whole article at www.carolybaker.net
 
Who's gonna want to rent my sheds? most people are going to be struggling desparately to feed myself while those fuckers over there with the good arable or the best grazing are going to be raking it in :mad:
Tae a leaf out of these peoples books then ;)

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I hope that my acre is in suburbia with a house built on it and with access to public transport. If any of you lot have an acre that isn't residential but shows potential for producing food, culture, raw materials, manufactured goods, healthcare, education etc. get in touch and I'll see if we can come to some sort of arrangement. Likewise if you have access to space of strategic importance in any coming conflict. I could also so with access to a workshop.
 
Ok if you're serious let's try this article as a starting point. It seems to suggest that it could become a reality in Russia, plus the concept of eco-villages is growing worldwide:

Russia population density: 8.3/km²
UK population density: 246/km²

I think there might be a bit of a problem there.
 
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