Amnesty International
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Azrael
circling Airstrip One
If you only read about 10% of my posts this would be true. I posted up a short list here. What would you have?I guess only property rights matter in your universe
True, but Humphrey was the main drafter. As I said, even if they're card carrying Tories, what gives rights they come up with moral authority? What makes them "human rights"?
Not really i think the Left is in a tragic state when you think that some would argue against a maximum wage in the public and voluntary sector.
What i am argiung for would be a VERY good thing. It would stop the huge differentials in the public and voluntary sector it would probably have stopped the bonuses of the bankers once they had gone to the govt to be bailed out.
If you are a Socialist do you really imagine that scrapping huge differentials in the public sector is a bad thing? How so? Has that Liberal idiot belboid druggged you....
What do you think i am your personal researcher? The evidence for some really huge salaries in the public and voluntary sector is easily available. Go to companies house and check on some of the salaries paid, check with councils under the freedom of information act. Try and find out how many people in publicly funded jobs earn double the salary of the prime-minister.
If your really so interested in evidence come back and let us know what evidence you have found.
I am very much in favour of expanding the public sector not reducing it. But that doesnt mean agreeing with liberal idiots like you who want to defend the indefensible in the public and voluntary sector.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
At a time when corporate greed in the private sector is there for all to see you'd actually start with the public sector?
I'm not opposed to a maximum wage but let's at least start with the real culprits in the private sector. Perhaps arguing for them to come into the public sectotr would be a start. But I think you're fire is better aimed elsewhere.
And how realistic would it be to start with the private sector. Sorry but its never going to happen that way round is it?
It makes sense to start with the money controlled by the govt,councils,nhs etc
It makes sense to argue against huge wage differentials everywhere to be honest but it makes most sense to do something about them where you can as quickly as you can.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
So, start with the 'least greedy' first and leave the real pigs in the trough til later? Until when exactly? As I said, if you're in favour of expanding the public sectotr immediately then it's a possible starting point. But to begin with the public sector, which is not the sector with the worst record, makes little sense to me. And seems more like an attack in light of what has taken place recently.
And who says we can't start with the private sector? Surely it's the government that makes the laws
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
"It's never going to happen that way round is it?" what, but if it was introdcued into the public sector suddenly barclays bosses et al would go 'gee, what a great idea that is, we better do the same?' Obvious nonsense.
And why not do something that would have a more significant effect, rather than something that can (supposedly, tho not in reality) but done 'quickly'
And why not do something that would have a more significant effect, rather than something that can (supposedly, tho not in reality) but done 'quickly'
Who said anything about the people earning huge sums from the public purse being the least greedy???????
Public money is the easiest to control. Much as i might like to see posh and becks have all their money taken away...i think it would be a lot easier to control the pay of people paid from the public purse.
And lets face it so do you and belboid.
belboid comes across as one of those typical hypocritical public sector bosses who moan about how little the govt has done whilst frittering away loads of public money.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I think no such thing. Your statement is simple, and grossly simplistic, tosh.
Meanwhile i note you can't back up your previous faslehoods re Amnesty and the voluntary sector in general, so I guess we'll just have to assume you were shooting your mouth off despite knowing fuck all about the subject.
Meanwhile i note you can't back up your previous faslehoods re Amnesty and the voluntary sector in general, so I guess we'll just have to assume you were shooting your mouth off despite knowing fuck all about the subject.
What falsehoods are those belboid?
People like you want to see bosses in the public sector get unlimited pay deals.
You try to say i must be some Tory cos i oppose hugewage differentials in the public and voluntary sector. All the evidence is there if you could be bothered to look for it of wage differntials increasing. If really in doubt have a look at how many people working for local councils now earn over 50,70,90 and even 100 grand.
People like you actually udermnine the whole idea of a more fair and equal society.
Do you SERIOUSLY imagine that support for the public and voluntary would go up or down if huge salaries were capped?
And don't you think that support is kind of critical for an effective public and voluntary sector?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
lol I love the sight of baldie floudering so badly, what a prick
Your falsehoods are those concerning the topic of this thread, you know, Amnesty. the fact that you haven't even attempted to evidence your assertions just shows what a bullshitting fuckwit you are.
Typical tory tit.
Your falsehoods are those concerning the topic of this thread, you know, Amnesty. the fact that you haven't even attempted to evidence your assertions just shows what a bullshitting fuckwit you are.
Typical tory tit.
lol I love the sight of baldie floudering so badly, what a prick
Your falsehoods are those concerning the topic of this thread, you know, Amnesty. the fact that you haven't even attempted to evidence your assertions just shows what a bullshitting fuckwit you are.
Typical tory tit.
And how exactly do you think i should evidence my assertions about amnesty? And why are they such a suprise to you? I know your a nieve liberal but i would have thought even you might have some scepticism about NGOs like amnesty.
I think you need to talk to somebodylike my friend who has directly worked for them.
He said that they routinely wasted money and there was a management culture that treated staff really badly.
He told me that amnesty dissidents like him used to try and work out how many subscriptions paid for each meaningless meeting etc.
I thought you had worked for charities belboid is this really such a revelation to you?
PS You still havent answered the questions relating to public suppoort for huge salaries in the public and voluntary sector. Why is that?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I havent answered your daft and tedious questions because they have no relevance to the thread, they were just there so you could try and swing the topic of discussion back around to one of your normal two (ie attacking the public sector, or the evils of migration).
I know full well, clearly much better than you, about the waste within the 'third sector', which is why I know that corruption (a different concept, tho I'm not surprised you want to stop talking about that one) is negligible within the sector, cetainly compared to that within the private sector. Similarly ineffieciencies, certainly exist, but compared with the private sector....
Your ire is aimed solely at the public and private sectors, and you ignore the far worse behaviour of the vast majority of bosses. A typical tory response.
I know full well, clearly much better than you, about the waste within the 'third sector', which is why I know that corruption (a different concept, tho I'm not surprised you want to stop talking about that one) is negligible within the sector, cetainly compared to that within the private sector. Similarly ineffieciencies, certainly exist, but compared with the private sector....
Your ire is aimed solely at the public and private sectors, and you ignore the far worse behaviour of the vast majority of bosses. A typical tory response.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
YOU made the claims, you thick cunt, so it is up to YOU to show some evidfence for them. And to show that they are worse than the private sector. But you wont, of course.
SO your claiming the private sector is more corrupt. Show me the evidence.
you really are a clown.
Again you make this hopeless accusation whilst ignoring what i said on the tbladwins manifesto thread.
No suprise that a soppy liberal like yourself should be so confused about politics as to call me a tory.
winjer
holocene death beat
So you're claiming not to be a bullshitting fuckwit? Show me the evidence
you can dismiss me as a bullshitting fuckwit if you like belboid. Though i will be deeply hurt about it coming from such an obviously thoughtful and inteligent person as yourself.
Do you want my mates email address?
There is loads of evidence.Get the guardian on a wednesday for starts look at the salaries of people earning 140k working for mencap etc etc etc etc.
How much do you fink that the head of christian aid or liberty or amnesty earns. How many people working for local councils earn more than the PM.
You want to try and claim that i am bullshiting but to a lot of peopel i am probably more guilty of stating the bleedin obvious....but you really are a soppy liberal twat....oh dear there i go again.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
my god, there's almost some facts there! I'm not sure how much the head of amnesty etc earns, I was expecting you to tell me as you were claiming to know before. but it seems you dont actually, and you just know that its 'a lot'. And it very probably is, I've no doubt there are significant wage differentials, and they are jolly bad, but they're not as bad as those in the private sector, despite your claims.
OK lets look at a fact here, where did i claim to know how much the head of amnesty earns?
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