That would still alert a paranoid Sith Lord
The Empire have thousands of probe droids searching the galaxy. They want proof, not leads!
America's New Air Force
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The Empire have thousands of probe droids searching the galaxy. They want proof, not leads!
Johnny Canuck3
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Maybe that's how aliens manage interstellar travel, and get UFOs here...
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
I think your best bomber is still the Vulcan:
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Actually, if you look at the drones and then you look at what the UFO fanatics are reporting that they see, the resemblance is striking.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Actually, if you look at the drones and then you look at what the UFO fanatics are reporting that they see, the resemblance is striking.
Yes, the infamous 'cigar-shaped object'...
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
....and the "triangular" UFO's:
... the X-33 experiemental aircraft:
... the X-33 experiemental aircraft:
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
If the goal in that region is to deny Al Queda the capacity to reorganise and flourish - which it is - this drone technology kind of makes you wonder what NATO is doing with 60,000 troops on the ground when a couple of dozen geeks can achieve the same with games consoles.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
They're still dependant on intelligence on the ground, which has been seriously deficient in that area of the world. At least one of the times that a wedding was bombed it was traced back to a personal grudge on the part of a local operative that providing them with info. If they'd had better intelligence that might not have happened.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
No, it's more of a lack of knowledge of local customs and not checking things out properly before it gets blown up.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
That's part of the bad intelligence issue I cited above.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
The last group of civilians that blown up were loading cucumbers into their vehicle. That's how farmers do it over there - travel at night. All it would have taken was a little be of knowledge and some better binoculars.
Never mind me, it's hot and I should be starting dinner.
erm - pretty planes!!!!
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
You have been in that country for how long now and still have no one who speaks the language?
You don't have a single Afghan-American that would be able to help you out???
Come on, now.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
"New Aeroplane Can Siphon Billions Out Of Public Purse To Private Contractors Faster Than Ever Before, Analysts Say"
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
The military has a few of them, but I'm certain they wouldn't trust anyone with that background. It's not right, but it is what it is. The source of the problem is on the ground, not in the air (and it sounds like you agree with me.)
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
You don't think 60,00 troops acts as a counter force to human Intel gathering?
I guess we differ on that.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
The thing about the defense business it that it is a business. Are you a fucking commie? We've no right to cry when getting servicemen dead from the weapons we built
(although in recent years they have relied on cheap and WORKING copies done by the chinese or ex-soviet stock sold off by the back door)
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
I'm not certain what you mean by this^.
Are you saying that having 60,000 troops on the ground interferes with intelligence gathering or that you don't need covert operators in an area with 60,000 troops?
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Actually you'll find that they are a far cheaper and more cost effective weapon than manned jets. You can blow up way more weddings, shelters and 'Taliban' per million than with manned CAS. More bang for ya buck.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
I don't see that it can help, it just racks up the hostility and makes co-operation harder to come by. It's obviously also important to distinguish between Taliban opposed to a western presence and Al Queda who have another agenda.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Yes, the cucumber incident took place on the ground. As for the air, I seem to remember our first four deaths were caused by Americans dropping bombs on the Canadians.
Ground or air, you are only as good as your intelligence. If you can't trust you ground crews to give the right information to your air force, then this will keep happening.
Not that anyone really cares, right? What's a few more dead Afghans - they can't speak your language and if they did, they couldn't be trusted.
No, I'm very much against a weapon that can kill from that distance.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Canada has set up many programs in Afghanistan and other nations are starting to adopt them. None of these successes would have been possible without the support of the US military.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
The latest reports are that the Taliban are becoming splinter groups and have started acting on their own initiatives.
Did you ever see that Taliban training manual? Very specific on what to do and how to do it. I'm sure that they are all following their manuals religiously, but seem to have different ways of operating.
Canada is lucky. Our Taliban groups are not as hard core as those in the British areas.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
The idea that they were some tight conventional army beforehand isn't really that accurate tbf
newharper
Manxome Tove
Yup, you're right, they are stunningingly effective. However anyone who uses such asymmetric devices must expect 'full spectrum' response.
They are terrorism and war crimes.
As you know.
Sorry.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
I would have agreed in the past, but the handbook tends to indicate that there was once an cohersive attempt.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
It's what all those superfast sharp tunring UFO's are that people see. Maybe, possibly.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
The NYT is reporting Blackwater operates drones for the CIA:
Only seems right when you think about it, killed by capitalist free enterprise . . .
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
The CIA is big on the concept of "Externalisation" isn't it.
In a few years time, all that will be left of the CIA is a giant evil brain at the heart of some vast imprentrable pyramid, with a giant eye-ball at the top giving everyone the evils while mercenary corporations, third world governments and things like the NED run around obeying it's evil commands.
Hmmm, Conspiracinessy. They truly are Americas Institute thereof.
In a few years time, all that will be left of the CIA is a giant evil brain at the heart of some vast imprentrable pyramid, with a giant eye-ball at the top giving everyone the evils while mercenary corporations, third world governments and things like the NED run around obeying it's evil commands.
Hmmm, Conspiracinessy. They truly are Americas Institute thereof.
Coercive or cohesive?
G. Fieendish
Snark Hunter
Nah, Toys...
(Part of the plot had a former U.S General, played by Michael Gambon, trying to sell the idea of ultra cheap Micro Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles (UCAV's for short) to the Pentagon, piloted by children who think it's part of a arcade game...).
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