Americans to mobilise to drive out Bush regime - November 2

[nino_savatte]

That's assuming that people in Washington are really Blair's 'puppetmasters'. Everybody works off that assumption but first of all, is it true?

Or could Blair and Bush/Cheney be equal partners collaborating on policy together? Could it be that the British elite and American elite and other elites have the same interests, or that it's nonsensical to talk about them nationally, because they don't work that way?

I don't think Blair is Bush's 'poodle'. I think Bush is a poodle, and that some of his puppetmasters are in London as well as Washington.

Get to the rest of your post later.

(and yes you can be 'anti-' your own country)

You take a rather charitable view of all of this, which leads me to the conclusion that you are either hopelessly naive or are working tirelessly to promote the interests of the neo cons. Bush's puppetmasters are "in London"? Now that really is naive.

 

[Major Tom]

Any US government knows how easy it is to co-opt a British government using the hoary old WW2/Cold War brothers in arms stuff and the general scepticism of Europe and Germany that is pretty strong in some quarters of the UK.

i mean topple the neo-cons and Britain's neo con prime minister will topple with them.

I realise that we're irrevocably tied to america - just in economic terms - that's another reason why not criticising america before we deal with blair is such a red herring.

 

[Poi E]

that's another reason why not criticising america before we deal with blair is such a red herring.

Surely the US government looks at the relative passivity in the UK as an indication that in fact the populace is not all that unhappy with the UK's intimate association with the US.

 

[Major Tom]

Surely the US government looks at the relative passivity in the UK as an indication that in fact the populace is not all that unhappy with the UK's intimate association with the US.

That apparent passivity is something the US and British governemnts have worked to achieve for a long time. And they are fully aware of this - how much they spend on counter-subversion, controlling the news, propaganda etc.

Despite this there's still plenty of opposition - nealry a couple of million people on the Stop the War march before Iraq was invaded.

 

[Major Tom]

You take a rather charitable view of all of this, which leads me to the conclusion that you are either hopelessly naive or are working tirelessly to promote the interests of the neo cons. Bush's puppetmasters are "in London"? Now that really is naive.

kasheem might be buying into the conspiraloon theories that the British Royal family still run all the former colonies.

 

[nino_savatte]

kasheem might be buying into the conspiraloon theories that the British Royal family still run all the former colonies.

I think you're right.

 

[Yossarian]

So *that* explains Charles and Camilla's visit to American and all their talk about the "Special relationship"!

The pieces of the jigsaw are finally falling into place...

 

[mears]

Just because most US citizens have no interest in anything that goes on outside their own borders, don't expect us to do the same. Your administration has an effect globally and therefore it's our right to discuss it.

Please, when it comes to world affairs most of you don't have an outside interest other than America. And you are not even American.

Try so hard to tell yourself how bad it is here, how unfair, the evil of the Bush administration. All a big chip on the shoulder. Just look at the topics on this forum.

All America all the time

 

[Streathamite]

Please, when it comes to world affairs most of you don't have an outside interest other than America. And you are not even American.

yes, that's right mears, despite the fact that most Uk posters on this forum also hit UK P&P quite hard, despite the threads on china, nepal, paris, chavez, global oil, iraq, Ukraine, berlusconi, every-bloody-where, we're all yanqui-obsessed, and it's got absolutely nothing to do with how the actions of the world's only superpower might possibly affect us personally.
I didn't know it's possible to disconnect the brain and still live.
you missed my earlier Q

err...when are you gonna say something new and interesting?

 

[Major Tom]

Please, when it comes to world affairs most of you don't have an outside interest other than America. And you are not even American.

Anyone remotely interested in world Affairs can;t fail to see evidence of of US interference just about everywhere.

How bout America fucks off back inside its borders and we can all stop thinking about you.

 

[Poi E]

That apparent passivity is something the US and British governemnts have worked to achieve for a long time. And they are fully aware of this - how much they spend on counter-subversion, controlling the news, propaganda etc. .

Yes, true, I was probably getting the wrong end of the stick.

 

[Yossarian]

Please, when it comes to world affairs most of you don't have an outside interest other than America. And you are not even American.

Try so hard to tell yourself how bad it is here, how unfair, the evil of the Bush administration. All a big chip on the shoulder. Just look at the topics on this forum.

All America all the time

If you haven't got anything new to say just fuck off, you boring cunt.

 

[fela fan]

That's assuming that people in Washington are really Blair's 'puppetmasters'. Everybody works off that assumption but first of all, is it true?

Or could Blair and Bush/Cheney be equal partners collaborating on policy together? Could it be that the British elite and American elite and other elites have the same interests, or that it's nonsensical to talk about them nationally, because they don't work that way?

I don't think Blair is Bush's 'poodle'. I think Bush is a poodle, and that some of his puppetmasters are in London as well as Washington.

Get to the rest of your post later.

(and yes you can be 'anti-' your own country)

Some interesting thinking going on there mate. Never seen that sort of stuff written on these forums; be careful, folk might get uppity towards you!

We must always remember fylingdales.

And agreed, we can most certainly be anti our own country. I, as it happens, am vehemently anti-US, even though i have american mates. Amazing really isn't it???

I am also anti-UK, my own country, inasmuch as i want nothing to do with its foreign policy.

 

[fela fan]

Please, when it comes to world affairs most of you don't have an outside interest other than America.

That's not true, but i can see how you came to that conclusion.

What you ought to realise (and i think you do realise) is that america exercises the brains of non-american people precisely coz it's the leading nation in the global world.

You'll get a bit of jealousy from british sorts, coz they set you up 250 years ago.

As for me, the whole anglo-american world of this new century has fuckloads to answer for... if bush is to be driven out, then blair must be too.

Both of them belong behind solid bars until their deaths.

 

[nino_savatte]

Please, when it comes to world affairs most of you don't have an outside interest other than America. And you are not even American.

Try so hard to tell yourself how bad it is here, how unfair, the evil of the Bush administration. All a big chip on the shoulder. Just look at the topics on this forum.

All America all the time

Of course;and how long did it take you to concoct this response? How about you take a look at the topics on this forum and stop exaggerating. It isn't all about the US, no matter what you think. Of course I'm half American and in your eyes I may as well be telling you that I am Satan.

All America all the crime.