American mid term elections

[Bernie Gunther]

Oh hi there pbman. We were really hoping you could explain the congressional boy-buggering scandal for us. What's the party line on that?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Oh yes, and while you're at it, any chance of explaining to us again exactly how Bush's 'strategery in Iraqi' is a resounding success?

Go on, you know you want to

 

[TeeJay]

pbman, you've been away for a while (two months or so?)?

Been on holiday or something?

 

[Telluride]

Many people seem to think that the Democrats will take over congress and the senate...just like many thought Bush would lose the 2004 presidential election. Who knows what will happen?

 

[Telluride]

You seem to be inferring things would/will be so much beter under a Democrat Administration.

How so, are they not financed by the same corporations to enunciate the same imperial foreign policies ?

Aren't you just hoping without reason (that) Pepsi tastes better than Coke ?

Whether or not things would be better or worse depends on one's views. As someone who leans towards Libertarian on most issues, I can say that many things are bad under the current Republican leadership and would be even worse under Democrat leadership.

 

[nino_savatte]

Easy win.

Democrats have nothing, the economy is good, gas is down, end of story.

We will win inspite of the liberal press trying to declair the election early.

Long time, no see, Nazi Boy. I see your spelling is just as bad as it used to be.

 

[ViolentPanda]

pbman, you've been away for a while (two months or so?)?

Been on holiday or something?

Perhaps he's been out riding with the Minutemen, keeping the US safe from evil Mexicanos?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Long time, no see, Nazi Boy. I see your spelling is just as bad as it used to be.

And true to form the creepy Nazi bastard overused the rolleyes smilie.

I'm surprised the anti-Semitic fuck hasn't starved to death, he must have such a pursed mouth it's be almost impossible to get solid food past his lips.

Perhaps he feeds himself via the same orifice he talks out of?

 

[nino_savatte]

And true to form the creepy Nazi bastard overused the rolleyes smilie.

I'm surprised the anti-Semitic fuck hasn't starved to death, he must have such a pursed mouth it's be almost impossible to get solid food past his lips.

Perhaps he feeds himself via the same orifice he talks out of?

I reckon he's yer classic bottom-feeder!

And, as per usual, he didn't engage with the point about the advert, he just came out with a load of crap about how "bad" the Democrats are.

 

[david dissadent]

On a total aside one to keep an eye out on on election dayis the Gubbanatorial race in texas. The Jewish Cowboy, Kinkey Friedman is supposed to have a half decent chance of slipping in.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

On a total aside one to keep an eye out on on election dayis the Gubbanatorial race in texas. The Jewish Cowboy, Kinkey Friedman is supposed to have a half decent chance of slipping in.

Kinky Friedman on gay marriage:

I think they have the right to be just as miserable as the rest of us.

 

[newharper]

Kinky Friedman on gay marriage:

I think they have the right to be just as miserable as the rest of us.

I've been a fan of Kinky's for a couple of decades, and have alll of his detective novels, but for anyone that doesn't know him;

By 1971 Friedman had formed his second band, Kinky Friedman and The Texas Jewboys.

He confronted racism and anti-Semitism head-on in the song, "They Ain't Makin' Jews Like Jesus Anymore," a song in which the fictitious Kinky verbally and physically beats up a drunken white racist who berates African Americans, Jews, Greeks, and Sigma Nu's in a bar.

Sample lyrics:
"Oh, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore,
They ain't makin' carpenters that know what nails are for"

A Texan the world can love.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinky_Friedman

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Looks like support among Bush's snake-handling fundie nutjob base is falling apart.

War Support Among Evangelicals Collapses
Bush Incompetence Said to Delay Second Coming

In the past 30 days, support for the Iraq War among white evangelicals has fallen from 70 percent to 58 percent.

These numbers matter because evangelicals are a quarter of the people who actually bother to vote, and 78 percent of them voted Republican 2 years ago. Only 58 percent say they are satisfied with the party now, and Iraq and the Foley scandal are driving the discontent.

Of course, evangelicals like other Americans are seeing articles like this one in which Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki blames the US military for things going wrong in Iraq, denies that he has accepted the benchmarks set by the US ambassador, maintains he could do a better job with his own army if the US would just get out of the way, and downplays the role of Shiite militias in the country's violence. The tirades came in response to al-Maliki's perception that Bush is playing politics with Iraq for the election season, and is doing and saying things that could cause Maliki's government to fall. The tiff is not an edifying spectacle for the American public, which is paying $336 billion to watch it and has seen 24,000 of its troops dead and wounded.

source

 

[kyser_soze]

Well he hasn't really delivered to the religious right has he? About the only 'faith values' piece of action he can really boast about is the Stem Cell veto - he hasn't stopped gay marriage at a state level, hasn't reversed Roe vs Wade and hasn't bought about the Rapture.

As I said on another thread, I reckon the thumpers will field their own Pres'tl candiate for '08 against the GOP.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Kinky Friedman on gay marriage:

I think they have the right to be just as miserable as the rest of us.

I don't think Kinky will win, but who knows: Jesse Ventura was governor of Minnesota. And Arnold is governor of California.

I wonder if Arnold will go back to making movies, once he's out of office?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I don't think Kinky will win, but who knows: Jesse Ventura was governor of Minnesota. And Arnold is governor of California.

I wonder if Arnold will go back to making movies, once he's out of office?

I'm glad you didn't say "I wonder if Arnold will go back to acting ..... " That's one of those things you have to do before you can go back to it.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Only one more day of this bullshit.

We got three computer generated calls yesterday alone. One from Laura Bush, one from a Senate candidate (Ricketts) and from the House candidate (Kleeb).

And I'm so tired of ads that I'm tempted to get my gun and blow up the tv. I'll just play my Lewis Black DVD for the duration.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

It'll be interesting to see if the Dems

a) take one or both houses.

b) have the guts to prevent Bush and/or Israel from attacking Iran.

 

[teqniq]

The Jewish Cowboy, Kinkey Friedman is supposed to have a half decent chance of slipping in.

With a name like that what's he going to do for an encore?

 

[muser]

It'll be interesting to see if the Dems

a) take one or both houses.

b) have the guts to prevent Bush and/or Israel from attacking Iran.

b) is the 300 billion dollar question.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I don't have a lot of confidence that they will have the guts to stand up to the 'let's bomb Iran' lobbying campaign even if they do take the house. So I think we can start worrying about the awful mess attacking Iran is going to create.

Not least for the brigade of British squaddies around Basra, who will probably have an opportunity to re-enact the retreat battle of Rourkes Drift as a result.

Lots of VC's being handed out is rarely a sign of competence in government, and probably of very little comfort to the bereaved.

 

[david dissadent]

It'll be interesting to see if the Dems

a) take one or both houses.

b) have the guts to prevent Bush and/or Israel from attacking Iran.

Oposition to the war against Iran has come from people like Dan Luger and Chuck Hegal, very senior Republicans. An alliance of people like them and Jack Murtha on the other side should stop an open march to war, but we simply cannot discount another gulf of tonkin incident to bounce the country into a war.

E2A or for that matter a USS Liberty style incident.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

a) I don't think they'll take either. Things are too jerrymandered.

b) I don't see an invasion of Iran because Bush doesn't have enough political capital to make it happen. It also won't happen because US military muscle isn't deep enough to make it happen. We'd need a draft and that just isn't going to happen.

Personally, I think we need an amendment to make it so a draft kicks into place the minute war is declared. It would make people think a bit more before jumping in if the middle/upper class kids had to go too.

I may be wrong on both counts.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Invasion is one thing, having the USAF, US Navy and the Israelis blast the shit out of Iran from a safe distance is another.

Many Iranian nuclear targets are in universities and places like that, so I predict a lot of dead civilians.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

And a lot of very, very angry survivors.

 

[muser]

For the late nighters

http://today.reuters.com/tv/videoCh...44&src=110706_1657_FEATURES_election_analysis

 

[TomUS]

a) I don't think they'll take either. Things are too jerrymandered.

b) I don't see an invasion of Iran because Bush doesn't have enough political capital to make it happen. It also won't happen because US military muscle isn't deep enough to make it happen. We'd need a draft and that just isn't going to happen.

Personally, I think we need an amendment to make it so a draft kicks into place the minute war is declared. It would make people think a bit more before jumping in if the middle/upper class kids had to go too.

I may be wrong on both counts.

a. I think (hope?) the Dems will take the house making Bush a total lame duck.

The rest I agree with.

 

[Balbi]

For the late nighters

http://today.reuters.com/tv/videoCh...44&src=110706_1657_FEATURES_election_analysis

cheers muser, im loaded for a night in front of the telly

 

[TomUS]

Invasion is one thing, having the USAF, US Navy and the Israelis blast the shit out of Iran from a safe distance is another.

Many Iranian nuclear targets are in universities and places like that, so I predict a lot of dead civilians.

I find it hard to believe that Bush would bomb Iran. Iran could wreck the world economy by blocking the Strait of hormuz and firing rockets into the other gulf states oil facilities. But then Bush is not rational so who knows.

I would not blame Israel for attempting to take out some nuclear sites to slow down the program no matter what Bush wants.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

a. I think (hope?) the Dems will take the house making Bush a total lame duck.

I hope so as well. I just find it unseemly to crow about it, especially before it has even been voted on.

Personally, I don't think the Democrats will be all that much better. I'm just hoping for a check on policies that arn't in anyone's best interests. Its too bad that thats the best you can hope for. We really need some action on a number of issues (health care, environment, corruption, etc.).