America/Israel unite in economic terrorism.
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Of course there was an investigation. What are you talking about? Haven't you heard of the Kahan Commission?Sharon was sacked as Defense Minister by Begin, but he had too much support from the right to be removed altogether.
Middle East politics is different to UK politics. That is something you should learn.
There the dogma is "keep your friends close but your enemies closer" - that sums up precisely how Begin, Shamir and Netanyahu treated Sharon.
You can argue that gives tacit approval, although I disagree - it reflects hard realities.
Surprise, surprise
nino_savatte
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astronaut said:
Sharon was sacked as Defense Minister by Begin, but he had too much support from the right to be removed altogether.
Middle East politics is different to UK politics. That is something you should learn.
There the dogma is "keep your friends close but your enemies closer" - that sums up precisely how Begin, Shamir and Netanyahu treated Sharon.
You can argue that gives tacit approval, although I disagree - it reflects hard realities.
Surprise, surprise
Oh aye, I've heard of the Kahan Commission and a fat lot of good it was too. They criticised Sharon and he was removed from his post...whoopee do! He allowed the massacres to take place and the Israeli government did nothing to stop them. As for the Kahan Commission, the government had to be seen to be doing the "right thing". Unfortunately it stopped short of throwing Sharon (and others) into prison.
As for this patronising statement
Something that you need to learn is to try and be a little more honest, though I realise that this is nigh on impossible in your case.
Nino:I just used punative dosing in my most recent post. It is am official policy, albeit discontinued. I was the ONE who stated the SLA was an Israeli proxy. However, the SLA was not a Phalangist entity. In fact, quite a lot of Shia made up their ranks, and even some Druse.
Moono, et al: There is NO contradiction. I feel ALL life is sacred. That is why the taking of life must only been done so with great forethought
and consideration. Israel does not AIM for non-combatants. Collateral damage is an unavoidable fact of armed confrontation. Like it or not, this is the way war works. In a more perfect worl, the P weould answer its mandate and police ita people. Until they do, Israel must sadly do it for them.
Nino again: Forget the Kahan Report. Why was he never indicted at the Hague? I mean, if he is as cut and dry guilty as you and others make him out to be, why would he not be appealing his sentence now?
Moono, et al: There is NO contradiction. I feel ALL life is sacred. That is why the taking of life must only been done so with great forethought
and consideration. Israel does not AIM for non-combatants. Collateral damage is an unavoidable fact of armed confrontation. Like it or not, this is the way war works. In a more perfect worl, the P weould answer its mandate and police ita people. Until they do, Israel must sadly do it for them.
Nino again: Forget the Kahan Report. Why was he never indicted at the Hague? I mean, if he is as cut and dry guilty as you and others make him out to be, why would he not be appealing his sentence now?
nino_savatte
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rachamim18 said:
Let's take your opening paragraph first: The SLA acted on orders from above. They massacred thousands of civiolians while the IDF ringed the camps and stood and watched.
Sharon was never tried in the Hague because the US and Israel found ways to circumvent the court. It is unlikely the Israeli government would ever hand over a war criminal to the courts, let alone publically admit to crimes against humanity carried out by its serving soldiers.
Astronaut;
Besides, what do you have to say ? The position of Head Dumpty has already been filled by the United Nations.
Where's your support for them ? Why aren't you demanding that the 'economic terrorist blockade' be broken ? That's the topic and you're not fulfilling your Dumpty role. Shame.
Rachamim;
Go consult your 'hasbara' handbook.
I asked first.
Besides, what do you have to say ? The position of Head Dumpty has already been filled by the United Nations.
Where's your support for them ? Why aren't you demanding that the 'economic terrorist blockade' be broken ? That's the topic and you're not fulfilling your Dumpty role. Shame.
Rachamim;
Breathtaking hypocrisy. Caught out in the mother of all contradictory nutcrackers you plead 'acting under orders' . There's a personality disorder here, also evident in your government, a rampant psychosis dressed as 'ethnicity'. Shameful sod.
Go consult your 'hasbara' handbook.
Nino: The SLA were not the militia in Sabra and Shatilla. Please get your facts correct. The Camp militia was the Gemayel/Geaga Maronite Militia, normally called just "Phalangist Militia." The SLA operated only down by the border, and at rare times the southern shouf against Berri's AMAL Militia.
How did Israel and America circumvent the Worl Tribunal? Please offer some proof.
Unlikely that Israel would hand a citizen over to the Hague? That is pure, baseless conjecture on your part.
Moono: Who said anything about "under orders?" In the IDF, we take a vow to BREAK orders that we find to clearly be ethical violations. You do not have a clue.
"Rampant psychosis known as ethnicity..." You mean the "Palestinians" do NOT have it? Now Moono, THAT is the epitome of hypocrisy. Thanks for the chuckles though.
How did Israel and America circumvent the Worl Tribunal? Please offer some proof.
Unlikely that Israel would hand a citizen over to the Hague? That is pure, baseless conjecture on your part.
Moono: Who said anything about "under orders?" In the IDF, we take a vow to BREAK orders that we find to clearly be ethical violations. You do not have a clue.
"Rampant psychosis known as ethnicity..." You mean the "Palestinians" do NOT have it? Now Moono, THAT is the epitome of hypocrisy. Thanks for the chuckles though.
nino_savatte
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rachamim18 said:
1. It doesn't matter what they were called, the IDF allowed the massacres to happen and they stood by and watched (and probably sold tickets).
2. The US has always found ways of scuppering any legal move to get Israel and its military to account for its crimes against humanity. The US always vetoes UN resolutions that criticise Israel.
3. Israel has never handed over any of its war criminals to the Hague because it cannot admit that it has allowed crimes against humanity to take place. It is unlikely that Israel would ever surrender its war criminals...the US don't do it, why should Israel?
It most certainly DOES matter what THEY were called since THEY qwere the murderers. As for the IDF standing by, it was not like that at all. Still, even if they knew what was going on [which they did not except for garbled bits coming in off the wire], they could not have interfered with the operations of a nations' military [which the Phalangists were considered, since they were commanded by the Gemayel family].
The US vetos critical Resolutions? So what. Arab states cancel out Resolutions aimed at other Arab and Muslim states. This is called "POLITICS."
As for Israel "refusing to hand over war criminals to the Hague," are you saying the Hague has been demanding this? Again, when has the Tribunal EVER brought ANY charges against Israel?
Israel is not the US. It is not an American lapdog.
The US vetos critical Resolutions? So what. Arab states cancel out Resolutions aimed at other Arab and Muslim states. This is called "POLITICS."
As for Israel "refusing to hand over war criminals to the Hague," are you saying the Hague has been demanding this? Again, when has the Tribunal EVER brought ANY charges against Israel?
Israel is not the US. It is not an American lapdog.
nino_savatte
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rachamim18 said:
Stop wriggling. The US and Israel are like proverbial "peas in a pod" with regard to the UN and other international bodies. If an international body is at odds with the aims and objectives of the US and Israel, the international body in question is undermined, ignored or both. Yet both countries insists that other nations abide by the decision of the UN or whoever.
The IDF stood by and watched thousands of people being massacred by their fascist friends. That is the truth and there is no amount of narrativising or revision that will change that.
I never said that Israel "was the US" nor did I say that it was the US's lapdog. It is a client state of the US and exerts a great deal of influence over its Middle Eastern policy making. you're a dual US/Israeli citizen aren't you? I've made my point I believe.
Nino: But when a non-aligned conference drags Israel through the mud it is ok. Whatever. That is how politics are played. It bears no relation to actual reality.
"Thousands of people being massacarred." Where? Thousands?
What does my dual citizenship have to dow ith Israel being a "cleint" of the US? I am a dual citizen solely because I was born here in America.
"Thousands of people being massacarred." Where? Thousands?
What does my dual citizenship have to dow ith Israel being a "cleint" of the US? I am a dual citizen solely because I was born here in America.
nino_savatte
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rachamim18 said:
Even here, you can't be honest. Nice diversion, how about sticking to the subject?
Your dual citizenship underlines how the US sees the ME and how its policy in that region is shaped by twats like you.
Nino: Funny, you admonishing me to stick to the script. Must be a slow day at insult central I guess...
As for my dual citizenship, it has nothing to do with anything. American citizens may hold dual citizenship with any other nation that will lallow them. there are even people that are dual UK/American. Are they indicative of the UK controlling American policy?
As for my dual citizenship, it has nothing to do with anything. American citizens may hold dual citizenship with any other nation that will lallow them. there are even people that are dual UK/American. Are they indicative of the UK controlling American policy?
Ismail Haniya
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/A2E1DD09-437F-46DC-A0D9-497C38EBD5EC
He's right, imo. I no longer automatically associate America with freedom, equality and democracy. I think of their government as more shyster-driven.
nino_savatte
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rachamim18 said:
Many Americans may hold dual citizenship with other nations but more hold dual US-Israeli citizenship than any other combination.
The pro-Israeli lobby is very powerful in the US. For you to deny this only further underlines your dishonesty.
You can take this as an "insult" but it would be extremely disingenuous to do so.
Moono: Wow! Now quoting a man that says his greatest dream is to help murder every Jew on Earty. By the way, the man's two sisters are proud to be Israeli citizens. Bit of irony.
Nino: "More Americans hold dual passports with Israel than with any othernation." You know this because...? Since sources are important to you, you will not mind finding one for that nugget, right?
Nino: "More Americans hold dual passports with Israel than with any othernation." You know this because...? Since sources are important to you, you will not mind finding one for that nugget, right?
nino_savatte
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rachamim18 said:
Are you going to deny it? The US has always been a little funny about dual citizenship but it has been more accomodating towards those who hold Israeli or Liberian citizenship (the reasons are obvious). Indeed, there are large numbers of dual US-Israeli citizens as borne out by the large numbers of trigger-happy settlers on the West Bank and the numbers of Yanks in high places in Israel (Netanyahu, Dore Gold, et al).
You appear to be suffering from a selective form of blindness.
Nino: Yes, Dore gold was a Jew born in America but I do not know if he has renounced his US citizenship like many Jews do.
Netanyahu however is not American, nor is anyone in his family. He did move to America at age 14 because of his father's employment but only lived there for about 7 years.
80% of "Settlers" have nothing at all to do with any form of extremism, religious and/or nationalist. Only 7 out of the remaining 20% are American born. Ergo, wrong.
Moono: ABSOLUTELY. Offering finacial support to self admitted terrorists is contrary to International Law. No shame there.
Netanyahu however is not American, nor is anyone in his family. He did move to America at age 14 because of his father's employment but only lived there for about 7 years.
80% of "Settlers" have nothing at all to do with any form of extremism, religious and/or nationalist. Only 7 out of the remaining 20% are American born. Ergo, wrong.
Moono: ABSOLUTELY. Offering finacial support to self admitted terrorists is contrary to International Law. No shame there.
Rachamim;
Olmert has been apologising for his terrorism for days but Uncle Slam still fills his coffers.
Since when did you, or the other Zionist fascists, give a toss about international law anyway ?
The point of the post is that the Palestinians will find a method . Hamas are methodical. Rachamim beware.
Olmert has been apologising for his terrorism for days but Uncle Slam still fills his coffers.
Since when did you, or the other Zionist fascists, give a toss about international law anyway ?
The point of the post is that the Palestinians will find a method . Hamas are methodical. Rachamim beware.
Moono: what has Olmert apologised about?
As for Inrternational Law, it is only your [and other misguided people] opinion that Israel has violated any International Laws. However, it is not debatable about HAMAS' status as a terror organisation.
As for Inrternational Law, it is only your [and other misguided people] opinion that Israel has violated any International Laws. However, it is not debatable about HAMAS' status as a terror organisation.
Rachamim;
You haven't noticed ? Your senses must be dimmed.
Israel has violated many international laws. Israel is in breach of the Geneva Conventions on a daily basis, for example.
It is VERY debatable as to who is a terrorist and who is not. There's a thread on it already. As I recall, the Zionist government met many criteria for 'terrorist' classification, even by the American's standards. Before very long, Zionism might be classified as a 'racist' organisation by the UN. Again.
You haven't noticed ? Your senses must be dimmed.
Israel has violated many international laws. Israel is in breach of the Geneva Conventions on a daily basis, for example.
It is VERY debatable as to who is a terrorist and who is not. There's a thread on it already. As I recall, the Zionist government met many criteria for 'terrorist' classification, even by the American's standards. Before very long, Zionism might be classified as a 'racist' organisation by the UN. Again.
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