Amazon & alt. providers during strikes (was:Royal Mail loses £25m Amazon contract)

[shagnasty]

I ask for your input ,can we really not have a postal service in it's present form delivering to ever household in the land .my own opinion is no we can't .an email can easily go adrift if you don't know its there, but a letter through the letter box can not be ignored .they certainly wont be able to issue a summons by email

 

[shagnasty]

The staff at Rm voted by a large majority to strike .but management spokesman say only a certain percentage of workers voted i invite him to look at the figures for the general elections for many years

 

[derf]

Royal Mail have shot themselves in the foot with this one, shame they lost the contract as it is a lot easier getting stuff delivered by RM as if not at home can pick up deliveries at the local postal depo, rather than have to wait around for a courier.

No, the strikers have shot themselves in the foot. Less work to do=less people needed=redundancy.

 

[weltweit]

Where letters are concerned the Royal Mail is pretty much doomed, nowerdays we are increasingly sending texts, emails and the like and sending less and less letters. We are also starting to pay our utilities online again removing more letters business from Royal Mail.

The only part of the business that could prosper is parcels, things we order online which we want delivered to our door. If the Royal Mail became really good at that perhaps it would have a commercial future.

 

[glenquagmire]

Another blatant propaganda piece in the Guardian today. Check out the 'impartial' source from Post-Switch...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/08/argos-ebay-desert-royal-mail

 

[butchersapron]

Complete with misleading sub-headline designed to make skimmers think 75% of all business is leaving RM - and even more misleading when you read the actual article as it doesn't mention what question the survey asked - it might well have been 'are you planning to make alternative delivery arrangements in the event of a national postal strike?'. So we have a fake story (still up), misleading reports and a reliance on those who want to break the RM. What a wonderful few days The Guardian, well done!

 

[glenquagmire]

Can't see what interest the Guardian would have in parroting Crozier's line. But Mandelson? This stinks a mile off.

 

[teuchter]

There is a good account here of the current RM situation from the point of view of a postman:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v31/n18/maya01_.html

 

[dennisr]

The staff at Rm voted by a large majority to strike .but management spokesman say only a certain percentage of workers voted i invite him to look at the figures for the general elections for many years

indeed

The result of the national ballot was:
Yes votes 61,623
No Votes 19,207.
67 % turnout

 

[jonajuna]

Thats exactly what I hear from postie friends. Deliberate sabotage.

I sort of know someone inside Whitehall, and they say that if the Tories win they will fully privatise whats left of Royal Mail. Thats one policy Honest George Osbourne didnt menion today.

What with little love coming from Labour, I fear these strikes are the last throw of the dice for the post as we know it. Could be a miners strike II.

if posties know its "dliberate sabotage" isnt it a bit fucking stupid to give the exact reaction that the 'saboteurs' need and want?

 

[glenquagmire]

Be even fucking stupider to do nothing.

 

[rover07]

if posties know its "dliberate sabotage" isnt it a bit fucking stupid to give the exact reaction that the 'saboteurs' need and want?

Maybe ...but its now or never.

The top management are prepared and maybe even want a strike but it could backfire on them. A big fuck up of mail deliveries will have a big impact on business, endangering any economic recovery and forcing the goverment to step in and act to reform the postal regulations.

 

[rover07]

Without a change to the postal market rules and price structure. Royal Mail will continue to be under pressure to cut costs...and that means pressing down on workers wages and conditions.

The whole system is rigged to encourage the expansion of private companies.

A political decision taken in the EU. Nothing to do with modernisation or the supposed 'falling mail volumes'.

 

[purplex]

poor the posties, its a no win situation, even with alan johnson in government they dont seem to be getting the relevant support.
Quite simply Crozier should be sacked for allowing this to happen in the first place.

 

[glenquagmire]

even with alan johnson in government they dont seem to be getting the relevant support.

 

[butchersapron]

poor the posties, its a no win situation, even with alan johnson in government they dont seem to be getting the relevant support.
Quite simply Crozier should be sacked for allowing this to happen in the first place.

He/they didn't 'allow' it - they engineered it.

 

[trevhagl]

They don't want the Royal Mail to continue. The point is to wreck it. It's already been deliberately run down so that the "business is uneconomical", by selling off the bits which might have made it economical.

edit: to make clear, "they" here isn't Amazon of course, it's RM management and the government

sad but true.

 

[trevhagl]

No, the strikers have shot themselves in the foot. Less work to do=less people needed=redundancy.

no matter where you work, if the management suddenly said "right, everyone does overtime for free, when we feel like it" there would be uproar.

Tories/scabs have no self pride.

 

[ymu]

Dear Amazon

I'm rather concerned to discover that Amazon will no longer be using Royal Mail. I understand your concerns over the effect of the strikes, but switching to other delivery organisations will just make it impossible for me to use your services at all, at any time in the future. Let me explain why.

I, like most people, am rarely in to receive deliveries. But I can get to the Royal Mail sorting office within a few minutes without the use of a car - as can the vast majority of people in this country. By contrast, I cannot easily get to the out of town trading estates used by the courier companies. It's an absolute nightmare when I get a delivery from anyone other than Royal Mail. I avoid it whenever possible.

Rather than cancelling the contract, perhaps you could instead direct your energies into persuading Lord Mandelson that the destruction of the Royal Mail will have a permanent adverse affect on your business. If I have to get hold of a car to collect my parcels, I might as well go to a shop and take it home with me immediately instead of having to wait for a delivery that is not actually delivered anywhere close to my house.

Your sincerely

ymu
ex-Amazon customer

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[rover07]

 

[FridgeMagnet]

except they haven't cancelled the contract

 

[ymu]

So what?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

well, a lot of people seem to think they have

 

[marty21]

FM, could you alter the thread title to reflect that they are just thinking about cancelling

ta muchly

 

[ymu]

well, a lot of people seem to think they have

Oh, sorry - I thought it was in response to my post. I didn't see much point sending a letter which said "I'm perfectly well aware that the media are hyping this up and you're not going to lose my custom but could you have a teensy weensy word in Mandelson's ear anyway?"

 

[FridgeMagnet]

FM, could you alter the thread title to reflect that they are just thinking about cancelling

ta muchly

I could actually, I think it's confusing people.

 

[marty21]

I could actually, I think it's confusing people.

cheers, don't blame me though, blame the guardian!

 

[ymu]

Got an automated response from Amazon this morning. "Not cancelling our contract; we use all these other couriers; we'll get your stuff to you and no mistake".

There was a button to click if it was unsatisfactory. So I clicked it and sent this:

Thanks for the automated response, but it didn't really answer my concerns. Lord Mandelson is presiding over the deliberate destruction of the Royal Mail. This will have an enormously adverse effect on online sellers in the UK because it is easier to go to a shop than pick up a delivery from a non-Royal Mail courier.

Amazon has been used in propaganda headlines which give false information about the company's response to the forthcoming strike. You have been dragged into this dispute through the use of outright lies in order to further a political goal which will harm your business. What are you going to do about it?

Thanks for your time.

Regards

ymu

 

[cantsin]

The small contract with amazon hasn't been lost, amazon are simply looking at temp alternatives in the event of a national strike. Transparently slanted reporting designed to give anti-strike types a stick with which to beat the strikers, an opp taken up by an eager few here i see.

and as is so often the case when it comes to strike action / issues, The Guardian is more than happy to run bullshit headlines that work directly against the unions / strikers cause -

 

[Pickman's model]

and as is so often the case when it comes to strike action / issues, The Guardian is more than happy to run bullshit headlines that work directly against the unions / strikers cause -

did you expect anything different from them?