Amazing Miracles of Islam
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Badger Kitten
oof
fattboy said:
Yes, three times, and I thought it would make you uncomfortable, because it doesn't fit your belief system. I expect you may even have felt angry as you read it. But it is a perfectly reasonable simply-written article that makes some good points. It is no threat to your belief in God, but it does show why trying to make faith-based opinion into scientific fact will never work - the language of faith and the language of science are very different.
Nobody is stopping you believing in Allah and dedicating your life to him, if that's what floats your boat but you do need to accept that trying to force faith into backing up scientific fact - and then trying to proselytise with it - is doomed to fail.
Andy the Don said:
thats just it, theres plenty of reason, faiths based on reason, hence the miracles that Allah has Shown, Allah didnt expect ppl to believe without giving signs, all Prophets that came to their ppl had them, but the Qur'an came for all time, its a living miracle, fair enouh Jesus pbuh is said to have raised a man from the dead, Moses pbuh parted the sea, but these were to the ppl they came to, we cant really appreciate them today, not having witnessed them happen,today, we have the Qur'an and as science progresses more and more miracles are revealed.
david dissadent
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Now there is the barbarians barbarian. Apparently Subotai was on the verge of ripping through western Europe when the Kahn died and he was recalled.invisibleplanet said:
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
Yes, but that's a pro-Christian website - (as is the .org version).Bob_the_lost said:
One of the main probs with criticism from such places is that it has a vested interest in destroying the theology and faith of the other, so it's not constructive criticism, but heavily biased, proselytising (for Christianity) and can't be considered objective in any way.
We are not pitched in a new crusade - Christian against Muslim - these attitudes are part of the problem.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
oh you thick fuck the books of the bible are in the Quran which is why they are there ...fattboy said:
fuck off you troll you aren't a muslim and are doing a really really shit not even 4th grade impression of one..
it's gettign oh so fucking tiresome...
david dissadent
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The inflationary theory of the universe and the laws of thermodynamics compliment each other not oppose. Do you actualy know what the laws of thermodynamics are?fattboy said:
Badger Kitten
oof
This is very interesting article on the Qu'ran and semen production, on wikiislam. Interesting because it shows what happens when you get in a tangle with selective quoting.
eta: more on the Qu'ran and embryonic developmenthttp://www.answering-islam.org/Campbell/s4c2b.html
eta: more on the Qu'ran and embryonic developmenthttp://www.answering-islam.org/Campbell/s4c2b.html
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
The gist of it is
"Put a hot thing next to a cold thing, and in time you will have two moderately warm things. It is impossible to put two moderately warm things togther and create a hot thing and a cold thing"
The upshot of which is that there is no new energy or matter being created. Eventually, the stars will run out, and everything will cool down to a uniform temperature. No more 'work' can be done and life will be impossible. This is the most inevitable thing in science - there is not one shred of evidence to deny it.
So, the universe is not still being created. It came into being, and that was that. No further intervention.
"Put a hot thing next to a cold thing, and in time you will have two moderately warm things. It is impossible to put two moderately warm things togther and create a hot thing and a cold thing"
The upshot of which is that there is no new energy or matter being created. Eventually, the stars will run out, and everything will cool down to a uniform temperature. No more 'work' can be done and life will be impossible. This is the most inevitable thing in science - there is not one shred of evidence to deny it.
So, the universe is not still being created. It came into being, and that was that. No further intervention.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
GarfieldLeChat said:
What do you mean by they're 'in' the Koran?
Badger Kitten
oof
Crispy said:
a theory being put forward is the universe will stop expanding at the 'cosmic crunch' when everything reverses direction and the universe starts falling in on itself back to the point it started from, also referred to in ahadith, by the rising of the sun in the west.
Badger Kitten
oof
Fattboy, I know you didn't like the last article I posted but why not try the wikiislam one, ( endorsed by many Muslims)I posted before, posted here again, on the Qu'ran and science.
It explains to you why your arguments that
''science is proved in the Qu'ran'' are weak - and actually work AGAINST the authority of the Qu'ran. The article shows how:
# 1 Those who pursue the argument leave no room for alternative interpretations
# 2 The argument as it stands makes Allah out to be weak
# 3 The argument is a modern polemic
# 4 At the end of the day, the "modern science proves the Qur'an" polemic does not find science in the Qur'an, rather it uses science to judge the Qur'an
# 5 Selective interpretation can be used to prove anything
# 6 Applying the argument means that the Qur'an is no longer authoritative
# 7 Conclusion
It might save you a lot of hassle
It explains to you why your arguments that
''science is proved in the Qu'ran'' are weak - and actually work AGAINST the authority of the Qu'ran. The article shows how:
# 1 Those who pursue the argument leave no room for alternative interpretations
# 2 The argument as it stands makes Allah out to be weak
# 3 The argument is a modern polemic
# 4 At the end of the day, the "modern science proves the Qur'an" polemic does not find science in the Qur'an, rather it uses science to judge the Qur'an
# 5 Selective interpretation can be used to prove anything
# 6 Applying the argument means that the Qur'an is no longer authoritative
# 7 Conclusion
It might save you a lot of hassle
Badger Kitten said:
Surah Qamar (The Moon)
1) The Hour has drawn near and the moon has been cleft asunder
2)And if they see a sign they turn away and say ' This is continous magic'
3)They belied (the verses of Allah, this Qur'an) and followed their own lusts.
And every matter will be settled
4)And indeed their has come to them the news (in this Qur'an wherein there is enough warning to check (them from evil)
5)Perfect wisdom (this Qur'an but the preaching of) warners benefits them not
the moon was landed on in 1969, when astronauts dug into the moon surface and took back samples, as mentioned in the first verse.
1969 gregorian calendar relates to 1390 of the Islamic calendar, i think its verse 1 of this chapter Al Qamar(The Moon) that is 1390 verses from the end of the Qur'an, will confirm it inshaAllah.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
They shared it with the world. It is not secret knowledge.fattboy said:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/universe_expansion_020320.html
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
dear god can you imagine...kyser_soze said:
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
fattboy said:
And why doesn't 'cleft asunder' refer to a lunar eclipse?
(In that metaphorical/poetic way of describing the cosmological world around us).
Andy the Don
Wise men say only fools..
8ball said:
No one is saying that fattboy is wrong or should not be allowed to practise the religion of his choice. He is wrong by stating to us that the religion he chooses to practise holds all the secrets of the world/universe & we are fools not believe him, when all the evidence points to the opposite.
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