Amanda Knox Is Innocent

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by phildwyer, Sep 8, 2011.

  1. Citizen66

    Citizen66 splash the cistern

    Where's phildwyer for his victory dance?
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  2. Flavour

    Flavour hang the bankers

    In other news, this is very much a non-story at this point in Italy, nobody cares, there have been other more interesting unsolved murders since.
  3. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    How is it 'unsolved'?
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  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    he's at the airport waiting for foxy knoxy. she tho is avoiding him as she doesn't like stalkers.
  5. Giles

    Giles Well-Known Member

    The guy who is in prison for Meredith's murder - what's that all about? He pleaded guilty, didn't he?

    Something you would only do if you (a) had done it, and (b) knew that the evidence against you meant you were pretty likely to be found guilty if you denied it.

    What's his story? Did he admit it, but say "yeah, but we all killed her together"? Or "OK, I killed her, there might have been some other people in the room, I can't remember"? Or what?

    Without knowing what he admitted doing, and whether he implicated the other two, all this speculation about very borderline forensic "evidence" and Knox's "inappropriate" behaviour is pointless.
  6. Mr Moose

    Mr Moose What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?

    Fair play to you for highlighting that he was right.
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  7. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    He said that he had sex with her, went to the bathroom and took a huge dump, didn't hear anything because he was listening to music on headphones, went back to the room and found her dead. That was one of the stories he told, anyway...I think there were a few different versions including ones in which Knox & Solecito were not there at all.*

    Some versions were from conversations he had with friends not knowing his phone was tapped.

    * just edited this part, I had misremembered and thought he said he was not there
  8. Citizen66

    Citizen66 splash the cistern

    Well he did actually start this very thread proclaiming 'Knox is innocent' so I can only have been pointing it out to the terminally stupid.
  9. Mr Moose

    Mr Moose What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?

    What was the point of your post then? I had just assumed magnanimity, but maybe I was wrong.
  10. Citizen66

    Citizen66 splash the cistern

    I can't give a logical 'point' to it beyond someone (especially phil) being interested in gloating in hindsight. It was directed at phil (hence me tagging him) and was meant in jest. It's amusing if it has got up anyone's nose though.
  11. Mr Moose

    Mr Moose What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?

    Oh I see. You are a lightening rod for other people's inability to let it go. Rather than your own.

    Hmmm. Reads more like you wanted to tease Phil out so you can vindictively play out the whole thing again like you do on the McCann thread.
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  12. Citizen66

    Citizen66 splash the cistern

    Well you're right on the projection front. I can never wait to be proven correct and then have a good old re-visit of what eveyone has said previously. The Jimmy Savile thread was the best. Perhaps phil isn't like that. Do you reckon?
  13. Mr Moose

    Mr Moose What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?

    Well Phil's not been here, but you are, not saying you were wrong, or pleased the two defendant's ordeal is over, but just looking to see if Phil can be made to look smug.
  14. Citizen66

    Citizen66 splash the cistern

    The retrospective reprise often proves too delicious to resist. But that's just me.
  15. Citizen66

    Citizen66 splash the cistern

    I'm not anti-phil, if that's what you're grabbing at. Quite the contrary, I find him one of the most interesting posters here.
  16. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    meanwhile the UK press seems hell-bent as usual on vilifying the pair, still. not that that reflects on anyone here obviously, but I will never understand that - was it because Kercher's family thought Knox & Solecito had done it?
  17. Giles

    Giles Well-Known Member

    The press loved this whole thing about Amanda Knox being this pretty young girl, and yet, in their minds some sort of twisted and "evil" character, with the frisson of a sexual motive, from the start. Even one of the Italian prosecutors described her as being "like a witch" some years ago. Don't know if Kercher's family were genuinely convinced of their guilt, but "Fleet Street" certainly seemed to be, if only because ..... printing salacious rumours sells papers.
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  18. dylanredefined

    dylanredefined Not a house elf a tiger

    They have muddied the waters enough for doubts to remain unfortunately I hope the Kercher family can find some peace and when the final report comes out it lays the doubts to rest.
  19. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    yes, very true.
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  20. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    The case was "annulled". Or to put it another way the arrest, charges, imprisonment and so forth are all regarded as totally invalid. From the get go. All that is left is another miscarriage of justice which bore the hall marks of many previous ones, not least in this country. So really there's really no wriggle room - even for the most one-eyed 'guilter' one here and elsewhere - left.
    Even the most partisan of the media will be wary of libel laws so will also likely let the matter rest as well.
    As for the Kerchers they were happy enough to abide by the court's judgement when it delivered the verdicts they thought they wanted.
    Now, not so much.
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  21. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    So what were all the cartwheels in custody all about? Did we ever get to the bottom of that?
  22. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist slowtime

    stress thing maybe.
  23. Doctor Carrot

    Doctor Carrot Bear Grylls grills bare bears

    I do agree that the right decision was reached because of too much reasonable doubt. I think that's what the report will show. Too much reasonable doubt doesn't always equate innocence, mind but it probably does in this case.

    Knox is still guilty of slander though, her conviction for it was upheld and she was sentenced to three years (time served).

    The permanent erection you have for Amanda Knox seems to have drained the blood from your head. I guess ol' Foxy Knoxy made quite the impression on little Joe eh?

    I say that because your last comment is pretty fucking disgusting. The Kerchers want the truth. They don't want to play the 'guilter' or 'innocent' circus people like you continually indulge in. I don't think they said they won't abide it just that they're shocked because two people were found guilty, acquitted, guilty and then acquitted again of their sister/daughter's murder. I think you'd be pretty fucking shocked and bitter if you were in their shoes wouldn't you? Especially as they, and virtually everyone else, were expecting a retrial if the convictions were overturned.
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  24. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    A full account of this verdict will come out n 90 days - which should explain why the court (apparently) no longer believes the wounds on Kercher were so severe they must have been inflicted by three people. Things like the cartwheels may get a mention, but are largely peripheral.
  25. phildwyer

    phildwyer Gorau arf arf dysg

    In Germany today. But its not something to take much satisfaction from. The horrible absurdity of the whole case leaves one feeling disturbed.
  26. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    "Reasonable doubt dosen't always equate innocence." Gee. How magnanimous. In similar miscarriage of justice cases it is usually followed by the equally feeble minded "Well somebody did it?" But in this case we already know.

    As for the clutching at straws slander conviction - it was pointed out years ago that she fingered the bar owner because the police discovered DNA suggesting a black man was involved; went through her phone, found a recent text exchange between them and figured out it was a planned assignation. Knox was then coerced by them to make a statement against him.

    Luckily for all concerned he had a cast iron alibi. Otherwise he could have ended up in the slammer as well. In time, she will I suspect appeal this conviction too.

    As for the Kerchers, they went along with the grotesque prosecution carnival that saw two entirely innocent people jailed for a total of 8 years for a crime in which they had no involvement. Now instead of bemoaning the final verdict that might reflect on the role they themselves played, perhaps unwittingly, in allowing the actual murderer to have his sentence halved on appeal?
    I don't recall any outcry from them or anyone else when that happened.
  27. Greebo

    Greebo 'scuse me, Mrs May, can I have my country back? R.I.P.

    Could be. It takes a fair amount of concentration to keep stable while doing cartwheels, so it might be a method of physically calming oneself when too jittery to do a breathing exercise.
  28. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    what were they meant to do? They said nothing about the guilt or innocence of Knox & Sollecito, but welcomed the convictions. Not exactly unsurprising.

    As for their supposedly helping the (one and only? Not what the court has found up until now) murderer get his sentence halved... Firstly, he hasn't had his sentence halved, that is simply untrue. Secondly, they played absolutely no role on his sentence reduction - that came about SOLELY due to the fact that, upon conviction, Knox & Sollecito got lower sentences than he did. His sentence was then lowered to be the same as theirs, with further reduction because he had taken a fast track guilty plea.
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  29. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    A bizarre and ill-timed example of Freudian projection; nothing less than an invite to consider the dark fantasies you yourself may be motivated by.
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  30. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist slowtime

    or a kind of stress reaction- its an 'out of context problem' to be nicked unless you are used to it, and in o foriegn country on a murder charge at that. Who knows what people do.
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