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Altercation with bus driver

Sounds to me like Geri was already in her position in the road when the bus tried to overtake her.
 
ajdown said:
Was overtaking another cyclist necessary? If you're in a queue of cars, generally you just have to stay in the queue (and if you overtake, push in, cut up on the inside or otherwise drive like an asshole, you get honked at) so why can't a bike just follow another bike?
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It wasn't a queue.

I'm a little confused, you are defending the bus driver's abuse because he couldn't overtake a cyclist and was delayed for a few seconds but criticising the cyclist for overtaking at all (or taking up position to turn right like cars and buses do)?



Geri, I'd say perhaps you should have been aware that there was a bus behind you, if you weren't, before you moved out.
 
Quite, worst thing you can do is react to the cunts. Better to ignore them (report them, if possible) and get on with your journey.
 
ajdown, you're talking utter bollocks.

Not only was the bus driver in the wrong according to the Highway Code, he should be fucking done for endangering other road users' lives.

I hate it when cunts give higher priority to keeping their speed and not having to slow down for others than to ensure other people's lives are not put in jeopardy.

Bus drivers are particularly bad culprits. On a few occasions I have had to physically lean against the car on my left, scooter and all, because there is a bus coming the other way and the fucking cunt driving it would not slow down or even veer slightly to his left leave a safe gap, for all the inconvenience it was going to cause him.

Cunts. :mad:
 
Geri. You were in the right. If you remember the details of the bus driver report the dangerous driving - you can report to the council and the bus company. I've done this before when threatened by a bus driver and it was followed up. Report it and hopefully they will not do it again.
 
Here's what the Highway Code says regarding cyclists and motorcyclists.
Motorcyclists and cyclists
211

It is often difficult to see motorcyclists and cyclists, especially when they are coming up from behind, coming out of junctions, at roundabouts, overtaking you or filtering through traffic. Always look out for them before you emerge from a junction; they could be approaching faster than you think. When turning right across a line of slow-moving or stationary traffic, look out for cyclists or motorcyclists on the inside of the traffic you are crossing. Be especially careful when turning, and when changing direction or lane. Be sure to check mirrors and blind spots carefully.

212

When passing motorcyclists and cyclists, give them plenty of room (see Rules 162-167). If they look over their shoulder it could mean that they intend to pull out, turn right or change direction. Give them time and space to do so.



213

Motorcyclists and cyclists may suddenly need to avoid uneven road surfaces and obstacles such as drain covers or oily, wet or icy patches on the road. Give them plenty of room and pay particular attention to any sudden change of direction they may have to make.
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In addition to the above

167

DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example

* approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road
* where the road narrows
* when approaching a school crossing patrol
* between the kerb and a bus or tram when it is at a stop
* where traffic is queuing at junctions or road works
* when you would force another road user to swerve or slow down
* at a level crossing
* when a road user is indicating right, even if you believe the signal should have been cancelled. Do not take a risk; wait for the signal to be cancelled
* stay behind if you are following a cyclist approaching a roundabout or junction, and you intend to turn left
* when a tram is standing at a kerbside tram stop and there is no clearly marked passing lane for other traffic
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http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070314
 
ajdown. You are wrong about keeping as far left as you can. You clearly don't have a good understanding of how cycle safely, or how to react as a driver. Read the following from the Institute of Advanced Motorists - and here is a link with more - http://www.iam.org.uk/pressroom/drivingtips/Sharing+the+road+with+cyclists.htm

Cyclists are advised to take a prominent position in the road well ahead of any manoeuvre to ensure they are in the right place at the right time. If they ride in the middle of the road it is probably not to obstruct your path, but to ensure that they are seen by you and by other motorists.

Cyclists often ride at some distance from the kerb to avoid drains and potholes and to discourage motorists from squeezing them on narrow roads. It is not in their interest to delay motorists deliberately. Remember too that their ability to signal is limited compared to ours, so try to anticipate what they might do from the position they have taken on the road. Please be patient.​
 
scifisam said:
Yeah, that's exactly what people are suggesting. :D

Ah, another thread where a driver was behaving badly has turned into a 'bash the cyclists' thread. What a surprise!
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Nah, it hasn't really turned into a "bash the cyclists" thread - all that's happened is that one of the usual suspects, and someone who's either incapable of realising the offence he might cause or is deliberately trying to cause offence has barrelled up to trot out his oh-so-rehearsed spiel on the subject.

I wonder if he ever takes a step back and gets a sense of what a pillock he looks like when he does this sort of thing?
 
We're not really expecting a response from AJ about the correct procedures / legality cited above are we?

He's never responded before to corrections to his blinkered viewpoint that as a car driver he

a) pays more towards road upkeep, (his 'road tax' obsession) or
b) has a priority over other road users simply because he's in a metal box on wheels.
 
By all the available sources -- highway code, IAM and others quoted in this thread -- ajdown is SO wrong that he should actually be considered to be a dangerous driver, who is sufficiently ignorant of the rules of the road to justify removing his licence.

That would solve your "road tax" problem too, ajdown -- you wouldn't have to pay it because there would be no point in you having a car any more.
 
road tax :D

the roads are free to all at the point of use. cars are taxed.
 
quimcunx said:
No. You should think of yourself as a small car or a motorbike and so should the bus driver. If it was a car performing a three-point turn or other manoeuvre which held him up he wouldn't have behaved that way. Some motorists seem to think that because they usually 'can' overtake cyclists without changing lanes because cyclists are usually cycling in the gutter they should be able to all the time.
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Yup. Some motorists don't seem to think cyclists ever have right of way. :(

ajdown said:
1) She's free to reply if she wants.

2) Why should a cyclist always have priority?
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In my experience on the road, we often don't get priority when we should. :mad:

Sorry about your experience geri, hope you're less shaken up now. I had a nasty experience with a bus overtaking me far too close and far to near - despite not having that many details I reported it, but don't know if anything ever came of it.
 
Oh, and yes sorry Geri, I didn't offer you any sympathy - its never good to be shaken up by some idiot car / bus driver endangering your life simply to get somewhere else about 30 seconds quicker. Besides he'd have had to have stopped at the next set of lights...
 
ajdown said:
You don't have "the right" to cycle in the middle of the road and cause obstructions to other traffic. You should keep as left as you can - as should all road users.
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I wasn't in the middle of the road - I was in the middle of my lane.

I didn't move into the centre of my lane, I had been in roughly the same position in the road since leaving my house (it's one long straight road).

I always signal if I am intending to pull into another lane of traffic or make a turn.

Anyway I have reported him to the bus company and sent a copy of the letter to the Traffic Commissioner's Office.
 
One of the things that really annoys me is when in multi lane busy traffic you take the middle of your lane for about 30 seconds (for your own safety), and cars beep you, overtake you and come back in infront of you far too near, or even shout at you. It's like, you being delayed for half a minute, or me being more likely to get into an accident. Fuck off! :mad:
 
ajdown said:
1) She's free to reply if she wants.

2) Why should a cyclist always have priority? It makes sense to me that if you're going to have to potentially undertake a difficult manoeuvre in a potentially unsafe area in heavy traffic, that you would take whatever action is necessary to remove that threat - and dismounting for a few seconds would have been a perfectly acceptable option to me. What would you rather have, the cyclist stop suddenly and the bus driver unable to brake in time, potentially injuring or killing said cyclist?
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According to the Highway Code when driving any vehicle you should stay far enough behind any other road user to enable you to stop if they pull up suddenly.

PS:- Can you only 'discuss' a subject by trying to deliberately wind other people up
 
ajdown said:
What is it with people round here that seem to equate a differing point of view as 'trolling'?

*shrugs*
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When the view expressed doesn't match what the Highway Code actually says? I can't ride a bike, but I do know what it says with regards to this!
 
Agent Sparrow said:
One of the things that really annoys me is when in multi lane busy traffic you take the middle of your lane for about 30 seconds (for your own safety), and cars beep you, overtake you and come back in infront of you far too near, or even shout at you. It's like, you being delayed for half a minute, or me being more likely to get into an accident. Fuck off! :mad:
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This.

A police officer did it to me the other day. I thought they did advanced driving and all sorts. Apparently not.
 
I have to admit I don't have the balls to cross lanes in front of traffic to make a right turn unless the road is empty - if there is traffic behind me, I don't trust them to slow down when I signal, so I stay on the left and wait for the lights to change before shunting my bike across the lanes in front of the stopped traffic.
 
Orang Utan said:
I have to admit I don't have the balls to cross lanes in front of traffic to make a right turn unless the road is empty - if there is traffic behind me, I don't trust them to slow down when I signal, so I stay on the left and wait for the lights to change before shunting my bike across the lanes in front of the stopped traffic.
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I can understand why you'd do that, and it depends on the speed and density of the traffic but what about if there's no lights? To be honest, most people will slow down if they see you look over your shoulder and then indicate. They don't want to kill you, despite how it might sometimes look.
 
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