kained&able
Here for the football.
Wouldn't be shocked if he got sacked by the end of the season. Really not been impressed by anyone he has brought in so far.
dave
dave
allardyce for the chop?
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twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
Jesus, you're still above Tottenham and 12th in the table and have spent next to nothing compared to other Premiership clubs. And you're above Middlesbrough and the Republic of Sunderland.
I was listening to 5 Live this a.m. and some Newkie fan was on saying that Sam should go cos a team with players of the quality of Viduka, Owen, Duff, Butt and Smith should be higher than they are. I think that particular case for the prosecution is actually a damn good one for the defence. None of those players would get into the squad, let alone the first team, of the Big Four.
I was listening to 5 Live this a.m. and some Newkie fan was on saying that Sam should go cos a team with players of the quality of Viduka, Owen, Duff, Butt and Smith should be higher than they are. I think that particular case for the prosecution is actually a damn good one for the defence. None of those players would get into the squad, let alone the first team, of the Big Four.
Dr. Furface
One small step for me
They wouldn't get into Villa's team either!twisted said:
tommers
Currently in investor / advisor mode.
twisted said:
this is it, isn't it? newcastle are up there with spurs (and west ham recently
,) in thinking they should be loads higher than they are. Of course this means that nobody gets a chance to do anything cos as soon as a team loses to wigan at home then suddenly the manager has "3 games to save his job."They would be mental to sack him but doesn't mean it won't happen. As pointed out above, he's not Ashley's man.
Because of the money rewards of Europe, TV rights etc... television doesn't want hangers on or just outside the rele zone.. winners with attractive football... and unfortunately NUFC is not there yet...... Allardyce, I have always seen as more physical than skills.
Will it be another club to appoint a European manager..... the rest have prove benificial.
Will it be another club to appoint a European manager..... the rest have prove benificial.
big eejit
She looks like Alan Gilzean
Descartes said:
There was an interesting piece on this in the paper the other day. Basicially saying that all these clubs are spending massively to grab a part of the cake. But the cake isn't big enough to support the levels of investment they're making. So some clubs are going to get very badly burned.
nino_savatte said:
in terms of expectations and recent managerial choping and changing. I've always thought of Newcastle as the Tottenham of the north.
As for all this NASA style stats shit. Well, football is essentially a simple game. Over complicate it and you better have something to show for your work. That said what's the point of sacking him. A new manager at this stage wouldn't have the time to get their methods established, sort the squad out and achieve much more than mid table anyway.
Sorry toon fans. But you better stick with Big Sam for now.
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
I don't think he is a bad manager. I think that he might not give NUFC the edge they would like to see but will make them difficult to beat. His methods will reduce the injuries that that club seem to get which will make the squad more stable which in turn will produce better performances. I can't see him being sacked unless they get relegated and I can't see that happening.
What the fans want is what Keegan gave them and it invariably cost the title due to over confidence going forward that people used to cut them to shreds in the final section of the season. Wouldn't take that long these days.
As for those players mentioned above not getting into top 4 squads, I reckon they would, Viduka, Owen and Duff are great players.
What the fans want is what Keegan gave them and it invariably cost the title due to over confidence going forward that people used to cut them to shreds in the final section of the season. Wouldn't take that long these days.
As for those players mentioned above not getting into top 4 squads, I reckon they would, Viduka, Owen and Duff are great players.
twisted said:
Owen - NUFC only paid such a high price for him,. cos Real wanted their money back for crock Woodgate & whoring freddie Shepherd - true to his nature, decuided to pay the extra for MO so he could keep in with the big boys & pretend he was a "player". The reality is that the Big Boys are fuckin sneering at NUFC and have been using them for extra pocket money and offloading players who havent made the grade
Duff - As above - If he was so good, then Chels wouldnt have dumped him - Chesl seem to do this a couple of tiems a season with NUFC recently
VIduka- hes loves money, but then again , why not - needs to be kept well happy to perform to his best as a proensity to get arsey - Hes not happy at the minute by the look of things
Shay is getting on a bit I admit.
kained&able
Here for the football.
This is why alladychio is bad manager.
Joey Barton
Manchester City
£5,800,000
Mark Viduka
Middlesbrough
Free
David Rozehnal
Paris St Germain
£2,900,000
Njitap Geremi
Chelsea FC
Free
Alan Smith
Manchester United
£6,000,000
Claudio Cacapa
Lyon
Free
Jose Enrique
Villarreal CF
£6,500,000
Habib Beye
Marseille
Undisclosed
Who other then Viduka and in theroy barton is good enough out of those for a side that wants to be in europe? The defenders he has brought in have thus far been wank and that as always is newcastles problem.
dave
Joey Barton
Manchester City
£5,800,000
Mark Viduka
Middlesbrough
Free
David Rozehnal
Paris St Germain
£2,900,000
Njitap Geremi
Chelsea FC
Free
Alan Smith
Manchester United
£6,000,000
Claudio Cacapa
Lyon
Free
Jose Enrique
Villarreal CF
£6,500,000
Habib Beye
Marseille
Undisclosed
Who other then Viduka and in theroy barton is good enough out of those for a side that wants to be in europe? The defenders he has brought in have thus far been wank and that as always is newcastles problem.
dave
Oh come on that's nothing. A championship club pays more than that. Barton has let everyone down but if Newcastle want to be a stable club they have to try for stability and trust in a manager for once. Just stick with Sam for this season. You're not going down and he is a good coach.kained&able said:
I don't think that Newcastle fans are glory hunters but they are misery hunters. They love relishing in the fact that they still support the club no matter what.
stupid kid
...
TrippyLondoner said:
You don't expect to get into Europe, just to play as well as teams that will almost definately get into Europe?
That's a non-sequitur.
tommers said:
"Would You Like Fries With That?"
kained&able said:
lyon might suggest that cacapa was good enough to captain lyon in the champions league.
and habib beye played for marseille in europe.
and that's LOADS of money he wasted on those two...
but then if you stick to the KnA believe everything in the press, including FCBs incredible skills this might not register.
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
This is why he's a good manager
Preston - Caretaker manager - was fans choice for job but not given it. (a few games)
Blackpool, one above relegation to 3rd in the division (2yrs)
Notts County - Sliding toward the lower reaches of div 4 to play off in div 3 (2 years)
Bolton - division 2 club who at best yo-yo'd between 1st and 2nd to regular qualifiers for Europe capable of giving anyone in their division a game - 8 yrs.
Newcastle - So far, not much success 'll grant you, but not going to be relegated.
So - you think a man who has brought success to EVERY CLUB he's been at, for 12 years is a bad manager, based on one season tht is barely half over? - Get real, we were shite in Allardyces first year and irrisistable in his second - why, cos he built a team and slotted the bits together over time. He's a million times better than Souness, a lot better than Roeder (who's quite clever and I like him, but piss weak)
Preston - Caretaker manager - was fans choice for job but not given it. (a few games)
Blackpool, one above relegation to 3rd in the division (2yrs)
Notts County - Sliding toward the lower reaches of div 4 to play off in div 3 (2 years)
Bolton - division 2 club who at best yo-yo'd between 1st and 2nd to regular qualifiers for Europe capable of giving anyone in their division a game - 8 yrs.
Newcastle - So far, not much success 'll grant you, but not going to be relegated.
So - you think a man who has brought success to EVERY CLUB he's been at, for 12 years is a bad manager, based on one season tht is barely half over? - Get real, we were shite in Allardyces first year and irrisistable in his second - why, cos he built a team and slotted the bits together over time. He's a million times better than Souness, a lot better than Roeder (who's quite clever and I like him, but piss weak)
kained&able said:
tangerinedream
Density of Sound
brianx said:Oh come on that's nothing. A championship club pays more than that. Barton has let everyone down but if Newcastle want to be a stable club they have to try for stability and trust in a manager for once. Just stick with Sam for this season. You're not going down and he is a good coach.
I don't think that Newcastle fans are glory hunters but they are misery hunters. They love relishing in the fact that they still support the club no matter what.
God, that appaling diet of regular big money signings and premiership football, plus semi regular cup final action and european games must be really hard to stomach
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
zoltan69 said:
Chelsea had a load of great players and either didn't play them or dumped them for less great players so that doesn't wash. Damien Duff is a great player, I've seen that quality with my own eyes.
Michael Owen is only shit because he's playing in a shit team and has an injury problem. If he gets an extended run, he probably the finest player they have.
Viduka, he's class, again I've seen that quality week in and out. Great holding up strikers who people cant get the ball off and a great eye for goal.
Sunray said:
Duff has been shit since he arrived at NUFC - I base that on his appearences only - I suppoose you are talking about him Pre NUFC. Scott parker ? Babayaro ? Chels seem to use NUFC as a dumping ground in recent years
Whether MO is a great player or not, hes a luxury item and NUFC were stitched up wth the price they paid irrespective of his situation now.Too much for such a player.As to him playing badly cos hes got an injury problem - erm...when hasnt he been injured ? even at his "best" at liverpool, he never saw a season out. A bad buy for NUFC.
VIduka can be class - just past his best though - but as I said, hes potentially arsey and hes obviously not happy at the minute - thats a strikers way tho'- ego is everything
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
tangerinedream said:
This.
skunkboy69
Reverend of Eternal Light
The people I've spoken to who are lifelong fans and never miss a home game are ONLY annoyed at the fact that Sams playing players out of position ALL THE TIME when theres no injury crisis forcing him to do so.From my eyes the 4-5-1 system he tries to play is ridiculous with the strikers we've got.It keeps NOT working but still he keeps on using it.This is the part I don't understand.Also all of the clubs that he's managed have never had the profile or money that Newcastle have and i think it's taken him a bit by surprise.
