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All-Wales March for Peace and Justice in the Middle East

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osterberg

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Details of this Saturday's demo in Cardiff.

All-Wales March for Peace and Justice in the Middle East:
ISRAEL OUT OF LEBANON,
GAZA & THE WEST BANK

Saturday 29 July, Assemble 1 pm
Cathays Park (opposite City Hall/National Museum)

Last week, Bush and Blair prevented world leaders from calling for a ceasefire in the Middle East, instead they are allowing Israel to inflict collective punishment on the people of Gaza & Lebanon and commit crimes against humanity.

In Lebanon, a whole country torn to shreds:

* More than 300 civilians killed
* 500,000 people have fled their homes
* All major roads, 55 bridges and 7 airports destroyed, no supplies reaching many areas
* Hospitals, apartment buildings, churches, mosques, factories, petrol stations bombed,
* Lebanon's largest dairy farm, pharmaceutical factories, food supply depots destoryed
* Desperate need for water, medicines and sanitation for those fleeing Israel's bombardment.

http://www.assafir.com/iso/israeli-aggression/

Israel says that all this is justified because 2 Israeli soldiers have been taken prisoner, willfully forgeting that over 9,000 Palestinians & Lebanese are held captive in Israeli prisons, many without any criminal charges being made.

Emergency demonstration called by Stop the War Coalition groups in South Wales. Supported by Palestine Solidarity Cymru, Palestinian Society of Wales and many other organisations and individuals.
 
Pretty good public meeting yesterday, I thought. Standing room only, the place was packed out - which was a bit uncomfortable as their was little air conditioning! see you on Saturday.
 
yup.lots, do some pics in a bit

got threatned with 'breach of the peace' :eek: as a kid who shouted 'look there's john lennon' in the direction of the speakers as him and his metal mates went past, i told him to shut it and a little later he asked me why so i told him and he then was complaining that we were there and he didn't give a shit as 'it's not my country' etc. all i ddi was respond with 'kids your age should give a shit' and was warned by the copper to move away as 'i'd already breached the peace and he was now warning me of arrest'
with all the 'we have freedom of speach in this country sir' etc :mad: raaaaaaaa

oh and them fukin zionists who couldn't come up with one source/website to back up their shit and other class quotes like 'they (israeli conscripts) like the army' etc
 
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pics up here
http://walesmediadesign.com/allwalesmarchforpeaceandjusticeinthemiddleeast/
 
Nice one Ddraig.
Sorry I didn't say goodbye - I looked away and you were gone. Sounds like you were off causing trouble.;)
From the Beeb:
Jean Evans, from the Israel Peace Forum, attended the demonstration to oppose the protest, and show her support for Israel.

She said: "I believe that Israel has been vilified wrongly.

"I'm not saying I support war, but I am supporting Israel's right to defend herself, but I don't see how this is going to be stopped, quite honestly."
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Fucking great. There must've been about 6 of these Zionist cranks there and they get a voice in a report about a march where there were well over 150 people against the war. Some balanced view, that. Nice one BBC. At least we can be grateful they reported, I guess.
 
excellent turn out - any guesses on numbers? probably one of the biggest anti war marches I can remember in S Wales. The only demo I've been on where there were no placards left behind when the march moved off - there's usually a pile of the bloody things left lying around:eek:

Not only that, but V large turn out of people with a middle east background/origin. Not just the usual suspects..... Many Children also. One of my friend's daughters were leading the chants on a megaphone - and she's only about 9!
 
llantwit said:
Nice one Ddraig.
Sorry I didn't say goodbye - I looked away and you were gone. Sounds like you were off causing trouble.;)
From the Beeb:

Fucking great. There must've been about 6 of these Zionist cranks there and they get a voice in a report about a march where there were well over 150 people against the war. Some balanced view, that. Nice one BBC. At least we can be grateful they reported, I guess.
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So thats 150 people against 'the war' - which one please be specific - and 70,000 for Madonna.
 
I thought it was about 400. Thanks for confirming it - if I had put that sort of a figure on it first some posters on here would have accused me of 'hyping it up'. <They probably still will - but Never mind :rolleyes: >
 
nwnm said:
I thought it was about 400. Thanks for confirming it - if I had put that sort of a figure on it first some posters on here would have accused me of 'hyping it up'. <They probably still will - but Never mind :rolleyes: >
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Nwnm is mistaken. In fact his habit of, shall we say, exaggerating is only indicated when most grotesque in nature.

For what it's worth counting from outside the demonstration I estimated 300-350 and I always estimate a little on the conservative side.

I remind anybody pleased by this small politically directionless demonstration that Madonna will have an audience in the tens of thousands this evening all of whom will pay for the dubious pleasure of attending her show.
 
It certainly must have been a large demonstration, because I didn't have the misfortune to meet Neprimerimye! I don't think it was the largest anti-war demonstration held in Cardiff, but almost certainly the biggest since the invasion of Iraq in 2003 - a bit unfortunate about the weather, blazing sun for weeks and then absolutely pouring with rain yesterday! I suspect that the vast bulk of people were from Cardiff rather than from Wales. Given that 30 children were slaughtered in Lebanon this afternoon, in Qana - one of the speakers yesterday reported on the 1996 masscre in Qana - I find Neprimerimye's tone objectionable, especially as he does little except sit behind his PC attacking people who apparently don't have his level of "political understanding"



I thought that their were way, way too many speakers at the end, and I should make it clear that this wasn't the fault of the guy who chaired the speakers, though maybe he could (and should) have told some of them to speak for less long.

In terms of numbers I think it was possibly more than has been suggested, the march seemed very big on Queen Street, I would note that if it had been good weather their would have been far more people in town who would have joined.

I would also concur with NWNM that this went beyond the usual suspects.

On the Zionist cranks, they were a little creepy, I heard they were going up to the stalls and snapping photographs of the names on the petitions and people at the demo - which is very odd.

Clear this has to be the beginning of a mass campaign that will embrace many modes and methods of struggle and campaigning.
 
Udo Erasmus said:
It certainly must have been a large demonstration, because I didn't have the misfortune to meet Neprimerimye!

Given that 30 children were slaughtered in Lebanon this afternoon, I find Neprimerimye's tone objectionable...

On the Zionist cranks, they were a little creepy, I heard they were going up to the stalls and snapping photographs of the names on the petitions and people at the demo - which is very odd.

Clear this has to be the beginning of a mass campaign that will embrace many modes and methods of struggle and campaigning.
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Not realy I didn't join your pathetic peace crawl. I was with the masses looking and laughing.

I find the deliberate propagation of the illusion that peace crawls can make a difference objectionable. I also find your moralism objectioniable. A very religious responce to what is a secular political problem.

Don't you think that stopping war in Iraq is enough for you? Not that your tactics have proven terribly effective have they?
 
Nep, yer a grumpy cunt and no mistake.
I couldn't help feeling a bit disheatened by the whole thing, overall. The rabid glut of paperselling and 'recruiting' of future paper-sellers tends to turn my stomach.
But on the upside quite a few onlookers joined in.
On the downside quite a few shouted and complained about a big bunch of nutters disturbing their shopping ('I don't go marching up and down shouting like a wanker, why should they be allowed to' :D ).
 
neprimerimye said:
Not realy I didn't join your pathetic peace crawl. I was with the masses looking and laughing.

I find the deliberate propagation of the illusion that peace crawls can make a difference objectionable. I also find your moralism objectioniable. A very religious responce to what is a secular political problem.

Don't you think that stopping war in Iraq is enough for you? Not that your tactics have proven terribly effective have they?
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You know what, neprimerimye, I find your pompous self-regarding attempts to defend your own indefensible position by ridiculing people who cared enough about the issue to get out there and be seen objectionable.

Perhaps if the people who support and endorse Israel's atrocities were a little less cold-eyed and oppressive (rather like the regime they shill for), Israel might enjoy a little more support in the court of public opinion. As it is their "hallowed victim" status can only be enhanced by the fact that, in the court of public opinion right now, Israel's stock is pretty damn poor. I think it's also telling that so many of Israel's apologists seem to feel that the best way they can counter the rising tide of criticism of its atrocities is to launch ad hominem attacks on its opponents, rather than answer the criticisms on their merits. Perhaps they can't.

(and, just to remind everyone: the barcodes on Israeli produce start with the digits "729". Try and boycott everything Israeli that you can)
 
pembrokestephen said:
You know what, neprimerimye, I find your pompous self-regarding attempts to defend your own indefensible position by ridiculing people who cared enough about the issue to get out there and be seen objectionable.

Perhaps if the people who support and endorse Israel's atrocities were a little less cold-eyed and oppressive (rather like the regime they shill for), Israel might enjoy a little more support in the court of public opinion. As it is their "hallowed victim" status can only be enhanced by the fact that, in the court of public opinion right now, Israel's stock is pretty damn poor. I think it's also telling that so many of Israel's apologists seem to feel that the best way they can counter the rising tide of criticism of its atrocities is to launch ad hominem attacks on its opponents, rather than answer the criticisms on their merits. Perhaps they can't.

(and, just to remind everyone: the barcodes on Israeli produce start with the digits "729". Try and boycott everything Israeli that you can)
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Well said!
 
pembrokestephen said:
You know what, neprimerimye, I find your pompous self-regarding attempts to defend your own indefensible position by ridiculing people who cared enough about the issue to get out there and be seen objectionable.
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You know what, pembrokestephen, I find your moralism a terrible bore.

The point you seem to miss is that even with stock in Israel at an all time low most people in Cardiff on Saturday were uninterested in what was just another peace crawl. And those who object to criticisms of the leadership of the anti-war movement by failing to address that problem reveal themselves believers in a secular variant to Calvins doctrine of pre-destination. Self rightious humbugs.
 
osterberg said:
Calvinism?
You're really losing the plot,aren't you Neppy?
Any excuse for doing sod all :rolleyes:
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My dear Osterberg I don't need an excuse for not wasting my time chasing after illusions.:)

And yes the political approach that some have demonstrated here is Calvinistic. Calvinism believed that an elect minority were predestined to go to heavan and the rest of us damned to hell. Some here, not you I think, would appear to believe that those who join flaccid peace crawls are similarly elevated above their peers. An approach both deluded and elitist.
 
neprimerimye said:
You know what, pembrokestephen, I find your moralism a terrible bore.
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It's mutual, then.

And I can understand why you find moralism a terrible bore: I'd imagine it's rather hard to be supportive of something like Israel and have any kind of respect for moral and decent behaviour - most people do have a conscience, no matter how hard they try to hide it, and I'm sure you're no exception.

neprimerimye said:
The point you seem to miss is that even with stock in Israel at an all time low most people in Cardiff on Saturday were uninterested in what was just another peace crawl. And those who object to criticisms of the leadership of the anti-war movement by failing to address that problem reveal themselves believers in a secular variant to Calvins doctrine of pre-destination. Self rightious humbugs.
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See, you're still at it. Vicious, petty little attacks at the motivations of people who decided to take a little time out of their lives to stand up for something they believe in. If your attitude is at all representative of that of those in charge in Israel right now, it's not at all hard to see how they're able to dehumanise the Palestinians to the point where they think it's OK to bomb them to oblivion :rolleyes:
 
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