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"Alex Salmond Plots His Next Moves Against the British State" (Newsweek)

Discussion in 'Scotland/Alba' started by danny la rouge, Nov 14, 2014.

  1. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

    The Tories are calling Salmond's call to vote against a Tory minority government and force a confidence vote undemocratic and "deeply sinister".

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-slam-salmond-deeply-sinister-threat-miliband

    This is constitutional bollocks. They are saying that if there's a confidence vote, MPs are only allowed to vote in favour of the government. That to do otherwise is sinister and undemocratic.

    Utter pish. If a government can't command a majority in the House, then it ceases to be a government. End of story.
     
  2. ska invita

    ska invita back on the other side

    keep us posted
    i expect it wont though
     
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  3. weepiper

    weepiper Jock under the bed

    Some excellent frothing over the topness from Paddy Ashdown today

    :eek::D
     
  4. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

    Never mind the Balkans, here's the Six Pissed-Offs.*
     
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  5. J Ed

    J Ed I remember the future

  6. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood

  7. gosub

    gosub ~#

    if, as is not entirely unfeasable, we are back with another fucking election where we have to decide between Chuka Umunna and Boris Johnson for PM, while the SNP are going "It nothing to with us, and by the way pal we're fucking off", Anglo-Scots relations ARE going to get quite frosty.
     
  8. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

    This is a variant of the "they don't accept the result" thing, isn't it?

    And still, nobody will explain what is meant by "accept the result". What do the SNP have to do to be seen to "accept the result"?

    They are a pro independence party. They believed in independence when it was getting 30% in polls. They're supposed give up and become Unionists when there are 45% of the population on record as having gone to a booth to vote for independence?

    That is a different matter from what they'll do about it. They are currently on record as wanting to pursue devolution and push it towards devo max. (Not, incidentally, something I'm interested in). They also say they want to participate in Westminster more than before, because even ostensibly English-only matters can have a knock-on effect on Holyrood funding, for example.

    None of this appears to me to amount to "fucking off". At least not in the short - medium term.
     
  9. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

    And, lest anyone misunderstand me (again): I have no interest in devo max. I don't support the SNP. I don't intend to vote SNP. I don't think there's a parliamentary road to socialism. I'm not an electoralist. And while I think the SNP is to the left of Labour, there are many ways in which it is certainly not a radical party.

    hth
     
  10. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Is there any mention of anything about those rumours of that poll by the Canadians which put Yes in front and led the SNP to think that they were going to win?

    (Sorry, I know I'm bumping this from a bit ago but I missed it at the time)
     
  11. gosub

    gosub ~#

    Interesting opinion piece in the Times today, due to the super majority required to overturn fixed length parliaments and the lack of money in the parties, reckons will go the other way and we will have 5 years of wag the dog
     
  12. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

    Not reading it full-time: it's pretty boring.

    I'm about 50 pages from the end, and there's no sign of that kind of detail at all. There's a handful of funny insults, and a passage in which Eck describes a meeting with Brown when PM:

    "Gordon spent the first ten minutes of the meeting complaining about the way I had bounced him into the meeting. The next ten were a lecture on why it was best not to intervene in industrial disputes. The final ten were a confessional on how he faced a 'poisonous legacy' (from Blair) and rumination on why I got such great publicity while his was so awful.

    I left the meeting with a firm impression that this man was not in a fit state to be Prime Minister". (p164).

    That's by far the most interesting passage in the book. So I've saved you the bother of reading it.

    It's mostly far, far more bland and unrevealing.
     
  13. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Pity, but thanks for checking it out.
     
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  14. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

    I was expecting better. I was hoping for at least indiscreet and catty. There's a tiny bit of catty, but not enough to wade through the pages of bland and dull.
     
  15. youngian

    youngian Well-Known Member

    Being a US magazine Newsweek has featured a fair few backwoods political porkbarrellers over the years
     
  16. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

    Just got to that bit. Page 219. Last paragraph. The Canadian analysts forecast 54% for Yes on polling day. This forecast was made on Sunday 14th Sept, it would appear. The SNP canvas returns had it tighter than that. He also gives the polls available that day as comparison. But only one paragraph, and no real insight. And nothing on how the Canadians did their analysis (he doesn't call it a poll).
     
  17. TheHoodedClaw

    TheHoodedClaw "Ride me sideways" was another one

    Maybe when Eck feels his career is over he'll do the indiscreet and catty (that'll be never)
     
  18. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Cheers, Danny. Interesting, strange forecast that.
     
  19. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

    It's clearly a forecast, not a poll. (Polls are snapshots of when they are taken, not forecasts). And the terms Alex Salmond uses are "assessment" and "analysis".

    He says his confidence at this point is based on their own polling and canvas returns, which a few pages later he says had Yes on 52% on the Monday.
     
  20. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

    I should add that I think it's entirely likely that Yes actually was on 52% or more on the Sunday, but lost 7 points in the next 3 days. That was when the No campaign finally found its feet.
     
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  21. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato T'agba ta ti de, a ma yo ogunja.

    With the aid of his sidekick:

    [​IMG]
     
  22. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    You idiot.
     
  23. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Is that supposed to be Sturgeon?
     
  24. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

  25. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    It's fucking rubbish
     
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  26. gosub

    gosub ~#

  27. weepiper

    weepiper Jock under the bed

    Ah, an articulate vocal political woman, I shall show her who's boss by suggesting she looks like a man.
     
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  28. Idris2002

    Idris2002 A kick up the Arás

    Is Nicola Sturgeon any relation to Science-fiction author Theodore Sturgeon?
     
  29. JimW

    JimW 支那暗杀团

    She's his grandmother, he got the idea for his genre fiction from her time-travelling.
     
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  30. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge This is definitely the darkest timeline

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