Alex Jones - Two Stops Past Barking?

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by existentialist, Jun 9, 2013.

  1. existentialist

    existentialist Danced on by a twerking bee

    I know this has been mentioned on other threads, but I think it's worth one of its own.

    Alex Jones, he of the Prison Planet and Infowars websites, much beloved of those who have their millinery done by Alcan or Baco, is well known as a bit of a conspiracy theory enthusiast. This morning he appeared on the BBC's Sunday morning politics programme, hosted by Andrew Neil, laconic Scots ex-hack, and David Aaronovitch, iconoclast, non-conformist, and - it would seem, good-humoured current hack.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22832994

    It would be easy to assume that Jones, given his choice of subject material, exhibited on websites with all the creative flair of a 3-year-old's LEGO project, fruit-machine-flashingly scrolling you through the various reported ills of the New World Order, from secret detention camps in the desert to weather-controlling radio arrays, er, in the desert, was just completely hatstand, and worthy of no more attention than the occasional humorous side-glance, knowing chuckle, and gentle tap to the forehead. But it is undeniable that people believe what he has to say. A lot of people.

    To the extent that, if you ever find yourself in debate with a conspiracy theorist, and encounter their favourite debating strategy - "look for yourself - just go to this link and watch this [invariably one hour long] video, it's all explained there" - it's a better than evens chance that the video will have been hosted on one of Jones' two sites, and alarmingly likely that he will feature.

    He seems like quite an affable chap. His head has the appearance of having been slightly over-inflated, so you get the feeling that, as he warms to his subject and starts to rant increasingly agitatedly, there's a very real danger that it might explode, showering the virtual studio in scalp fragments, facial features and bra...well, maybe just the scalp and the facial features.

    So, the interview. Neil was being painstakingly polite. As, it emerged, was Aaronovitch. It was clear that something was up - my iPlayer feed wasn't quite up to seeing their facial expressions up close, but one got the feeling that both were smirking like Cheshire cats as they oh-so-gently led Jones exactly where he wanted to go - the Conspiracy at the heart of the BBC - "Winston Smith worked here, you know" (hastily corrected, rather belatedly for someone who is probably frequently accused of confusing fiction with fact) to George Orwell's nom-de-BBC - or pretty much anywhere else in the world. Even the most good-natured challenge only served to ratchet up his agitation, and a gentle inquiry from Aaronovitch as to how he had succeeded in surviving an organisation he had characterised as ruthless, all-powerful, and deadly just prompted a further increase in pitch and volume as Jones failed to realise that, for once in his life, he wasn't being shouted down, but given just enough rope to hang himself.

    Which, ultimately, in the most delicious final 40 seconds of any TV interview, he succeeded in doing. By this time, it didn't matter that nobody was interrupting him - he could interrupt himself, dammit, and as the camera zoomed back for the obligatory end-of-interview shot, we were treated to a view of Jones ranting almost hysterically, while Neil and Aaronovitch looked on, good-naturedly amused, though not before Neil had averred that Jones was "the worst person he had ever interviewed" - a pretty drastic claim, given his long career as an interviewer of British politicians.

    So, Alex Jones: prophet or pariah? Voice of reason, or completely Dagenham?

    What do you think? Serious replies only... *snigger*
     
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  2. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

    he's a racist piece of shit and they should be ashamed for giving him a platform.
     
  3. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    upminster
     
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  4. frogwoman

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  6. existentialist

    existentialist Danced on by a twerking bee

    I can't agree. If "giving someone a platform" means handing them an opportunity to comprehensively discredit themselves, I'm all for it. If they had given him an uncritical interview, which allowed him to express his racist ideas in a manner which could have been influential, I'd agree, but he clearly wasn't ever going to be able to do that. Quite apart from the fact that he came across as a gibbering lunatic pretty much from the off, I don't think he got the opportunity to deliver any of his racist drivel in any case.

    I do wonder whether he hadn't been well and truly (and rather expertly) wound up even before he came on air. Aaronovitch, for one, isn't anybody's fool, and would have been quite capable of gently turning the knife to the point that Jones was loaded for bear well before the red light came on.

    No, let 'em make cocks of themselves, I say. Even the racists. There is nothing quite so cleansing of poisonous ideologies as ridicule.
     
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  7. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

    Did they ask him about his racist ideas?
     
  8. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood


    'we may look ridiculous goosestepping but you are too scared to laugh at us because you know we will come for you later

    So no, no fucking platform
     
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    Belushi 01 811 8055 R.I.P.

  10. Buckaroo

    Buckaroo Donkey piss and tractors

    Three blokes talking shit. Alex Jones does the shouty thing whenever he's confronted with logic. In this case Aaronovitch made the point that if 'they' are so powerful why haven't they plunged him, he blathered about threats to his life because they'd make him a martyr but no discussion about race or lizards. Funnily enough he was in the cab with that artist taxi fella who is more shouty and I couldn't work out if taxi man was taking the piss. Anyway no talk of race, I think the spudloons have dropped that angle and talk about bankers instead.
     
  11. telbert

    telbert Do you like sponge?



    Becontree
     
  12. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i too looked at the tube map but he's more than two stops past barking. upminster's 8 stops past barking, and the end of the line
     
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  13. twentythreedom

    twentythreedom Seagulls are cunts

    Mornington Crescent
     
  14. telbert

    telbert Do you like sponge?

    My nearest station.:)
     
  15. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    Can we get rid of the idea that somebody having the piss taken out of them by two of the smuggest people of all time actually "discredits" them to anyone who would have believed them in the first place? All it is is publicity and increased acceptance as somebody serious.
     
  16. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

    this.
     
  17. Stigmata

    Stigmata sexual tyrannosaurus

    He did look like a fucking spanner though
     
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  18. kebabking

    kebabking Unfettered ambition

    neither Aaronovitch or Neil looked particularly scared. i agree entirely with Existentialist - nothing destroys conspiraloons or racists more than direct sunlight, its only burying them in the sewers that allows them to persuade the feeble-minded that they have something to say.

    everytime they get 'no platformed' it allows them to say 'see, we told you, they know we're right so they can't allow us to speak to the people'.

    Jones did more damage to the conspiraloon/anti-semitic nutjob wing of british politics in 10 minutes than the left have done in 10 years.
     
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  19. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

    does anyone believe that someone being allowed to go on the bbc to be laughed at by people like david aaronovitch discredits them? do people believe really believe this?

    existentialist i don't think that the kind of views that alex jones promotes can be defeated by "rational arguments" especially when the oppo are a bunch of sneering BBC personalities?
     
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  20. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    That is not my recollection. My recollection is that Jones started spewing rubbish at the first opportunity and continued throughout the program with scant regard to letting the other two say much at all. Rather than the others take the piss, which I admit they attempted, he just went on a mega rant of his own which amply demonstrated why he is known as a fruit loop and they are not!
     
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  21. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

    A fruitloop who's mainstream enough to go on national television. At a time when far-right ideas are gaining increasing acceptance.
     
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  22. kebabking

    kebabking Unfettered ambition

    it doesn't reform the nutters, but it probably makes the swing nutter/rationalist think 'actually, that guys a fruitcake', and not go any further down the road to weirdo-dom.
     
  23. Buckaroo

    Buckaroo Donkey piss and tractors

    Really? Anyone who takes them seriously would do so anyway regardless of having the piss taken out of them by chumps like O'Neil and Aaronovitch. If anything it would just confirm their batshit allegiance.
     
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  24. TheHoodedClaw

    TheHoodedClaw acknowledging ur soup leg

    Sometimes you don't need to hand someone a rope, Neil and Aaronovitch just left a bit of washing-line in plain sight.
     
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  25. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Personally I think it was a mistake to give him the airtime, not because he is right wing, but rather because he is nuts.
     
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  26. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    So all it did was give him a slightly higher profile and more exposure to people watching that godawful show who might be inclined in his direction.

    Alex Jones is always this mad. It's not like he hides it.
     
  27. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood


    on a sunday afternoon politics show aired by a centre-right broadcaster he did this? Are you radio rental?


    Its not how you think he came across and who you think he was talking to. Not trying to be rude here, so apols for the brusque but really? You think that a madman saying mad things is enough to knock back the supporters? Have you read the protocols?
     
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  28. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    I'd be interested in seeing examples of all these racist movements who've been destroyed by exposure that they were really racist after all under harsh questioning by mainstream pundits, incidentally.
     
  29. existentialist

    existentialist Danced on by a twerking bee

    Well, it was a revelation to me! I mean, I'd never bothered watching his stuff because of who generally recommended I did, but I hadn't fully realised how comprehensively he'd plumbed the depths of hatstanditude, and was - frankly - rather glad of the opportunity to find out without having to watch some fucking 1 hour YouTube video! :)
     
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  30. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

    I don't think so.
     

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